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    "It's halfway down the hill, directly below that tree next to a rock that looks like a bell-end"

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    Good spot Si.

    I'd suggest that anyone who is suffering delays in issuing take note of the contents and act on them - don't leave yourself exposed.

    And for those who somehow believe that applicants should go along with FEO & FLDs 'suggestions' for fear of reprisals, have a read of this extract:

    "Too many gun owners mistakenly believe the police will find some way of getting their own back if they’re taken to task for giving poor service. This is not the case.

    My experience is that complaining eventually gets the right result even though the police may wriggle a bit in the process.

    One Deputy Chief Constable assured me the police couldn’t get their act together well enough to do this anyway! And an Assistant Chief Constable told me that any member of staff found to be victimising certificate holders would be disciplined".


    In other words, stand up for yourself if what you are requesting is within the legislation.

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    If you’re applying for an initial grant, allow about 8 weeks and for a variation 2-3 weeks. Anything outside this merits a complaint.

    try 6 months...you have to laugh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowsmart View Post
    If you’re applying for an initial grant, allow about 8 weeks and for a variation 2-3 weeks. Anything outside this merits a complaint.

    try 6 months...you have to laugh....
    ................................ or complain.

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    let me join one of the shooting associations first, get some legal cover, before I rock any boats....

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    Well from past experience I waited near 12 months for my initial Fac to be processed,they have you by the short and curly s,I already held a shotgun cert for over 25 yrs previous to my FAC.
    But it was down to insufficient staff, some on holiday leave and others on maternity leave,land checks with other counties caused months of delays and further checks on my mentor also caused it being delayed.

    But all came good in the end and with a bit of patience and a few letters, they opened up my ticket sooner than usual.

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    jonevo,

    Can't agree with you that "they have you by the short and curly s" in any way, shape or form.

    They're not gifting you anything so if there are any unwarranted delays you simply have to make a complaint if you don't feel that you are receiving the service that you should.

    As the article says, "If enough folk complain the message will eventually get through".

    Do nothing and it will won't get any better. Who knows, you might have even received your FAC within 8 weeks if you had.

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    Orion,well its quite easy for the chief officer or the head of firearms not to allow, or grant an application, for any number of reasons.
    It was once challenged in a court and the ruling went against the applicant.

    from another forum quote "The Firearms Licensing Depts to whom I spoke and the police's own Solicitors confirmed what I thought, namely that they [Police] generally never lose the on the Appeal Revocation and invariablyget [their] costs even against unrep appellants.Last one I spoke to said the unrep Appellant got hit for £1500.That, plus Counsel wanting £750 plus vat plus my fee meant Appellant liable for the thick end of three thousand pounds.It appears the best way forward is for client to wait 2-3 years and apply de novo for the Licences "


    As I have said previously, its quite easy for the police NOT to grant a certificate and can find many reasons NOT to allow the applicant one.

    unless you have deep pockets

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonevo View Post
    Orion,well its quite easy for the chief officer or the head of firearms not to allow, or grant an application, for any number of reasons.
    It was once challenged in a court and the ruling went against the applicant.

    from another forum quote "The Firearms Licensing Depts to whom I spoke and the police's own Solicitors confirmed what I thought, namely that they [Police] generally never lose the on the Appeal Revocation and invariablyget [their] costs even against unrep appellants.Last one I spoke to said the unrep Appellant got hit for £1500.That, plus Counsel wanting £750 plus vat plus my fee meant Appellant liable for the thick end of three thousand pounds.It appears the best way forward is for client to wait 2-3 years and apply de novo for the Licences "


    As I have said previously, its quite easy for the police NOT to grant a certificate and can find many reasons NOT to allow the applicant one.

    unless you have deep pockets
    I was under the impression that basc would appoint a solicitor to fight your case etc to help with appeals but apparently they won't unless it's a garenteed victory, I think one of the Scottish accosiations will pay for a solicitor and think that's the reason why many won't fight the case for an appeal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonevo View Post
    Orion,well its quite easy for the chief officer or the head of firearms not to allow, or grant an application, for any number of reasons.
    It was once challenged in a court and the ruling went against the applicant.

    from another forum quote "The Firearms Licensing Depts to whom I spoke and the police's own Solicitors confirmed what I thought, namely that they [Police] generally never lose the on the Appeal Revocation and invariablyget [their] costs even against unrep appellants.Last one I spoke to said the unrep Appellant got hit for £1500.That, plus Counsel wanting £750 plus vat plus my fee meant Appellant liable for the thick end of three thousand pounds.It appears the best way forward is for client to wait 2-3 years and apply de novo for the Licences "


    As I have said previously, its quite easy for the police NOT to grant a certificate and can find many reasons NOT to allow the applicant one.

    unless you have deep pockets
    I am in no position to dispute the above, but I'm not sure that it follows that one of the reasons they might deny you a FAC is that you complained that 12 months was too long to wait for then to carry our their lawful duties.

    If you think a 12month wait is OK, that's up to you. I don't know what you imagine is 'sooner than usual' for removing terretorial conditions, but whatever it is I wouldn't factor that into the equation at all. These conditions are meant to improve public safety, not to be applied so that their removal may become a token of condescending favour bestowed by the FLD on a supine, biddable population of FAC-holders who are so fearful of retribution in the form of loss of such dubious 'favours' that they have no will to complain about even the slowest, most unlawfully restricitve FLD regimes.

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