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    FAC "closed" conditions

    Hi guys,
    I'm looking out for some new stalking and foxing atm, but i could do with learning how the condition on my FAC should be met in different situations. The exact wording i have is " .......land deemed suitable by the Chief...."

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    So, scenario a) A local farmer gives me permission to shoot. This seems easy enough - i contact FLO to as if said farm has been signed off for my caliber, if it hasn't then i request inspection. Does the FLO, at this stage, need my "permission to shoot" letter? or just the address and the cal i want to shoot?
    Scenario b) I pay for an accompanied stalk on unknown bit of land. Do i just ask the stalker if land is signed off and take his word for it? or would my condition not matter as i am accompanied by someone whom (i assume) would have an "open" fac?
    Scenario c) I'm invited to join a syndicate which shoots on half a dozen different farms/estates, at different locations, across a couple of counties. Can it be assumed that all the land would have been signed off as it is syndicate land (for .243 for example, i realise that land can be signed off for some cals and not others) or would i need to obtain the list of land from the club and forward to my flo to investigate?
    What do you think? I'm not trying to make up awkward situations, i'm sure these happen all the time - i just need a bit of clarity.Thanks, Mike

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    A-C. In all three circumstances you need to check with the licensing bureau to ascertain if the land is cleared for your calibre and also supply written permission.
    If no inspection has taken place then your FEO will inspect the land.
    B. For paid stalking you may have to use an estate rifle, but check with the bureau.
    C. you may have to contact bureaus in the other counties.


    http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/...2C528EAF147301

    http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/...76B6BAC5B0B933
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    Hi

    I wouldn't assume anything. If your using a estate rifle then your under your guides guidance. If your using your rifle on a place you haven't shot before, simply ask the guide/farmer/land owner is this land cleared for this caliber, if they say yes then that's great crack on, if there in doubt check with FLO.

    If you can't find out weather land is cleared then check with your FLO. I've done this a few times and it's been very easy. Each time I given the name, address and phone for the land owner etc. The address of the location. I have given O/S grid ref, longitude and latitude and even a link to google maps. I have listed the hazards and of course what I'll be using and shooting at. Each time I've had a email back and FLO has said fine crack on.

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    Ask the land owner. If they are sure the land has been checked there is no need to check with the licencing department of the local police force. Ditto the stalker. Of course, it's often worth phoning them regarding land that you know to be clear, as it will be recorded as a request against your licence and may help with getting the certificate opened up at a later date.

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    Thats really helpful Gents - Thankyou

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    For a new permission I always ring the local FLO to check.
    Both landowner and local officers can get it wrong - I once wrote a plan for a farmer, they took it to the local country police station. (to confirm the land was cleared)
    Civvie on the desk called the station sgt, farmer explained it was about shooting deer on his land and the sgt said he didn't need to see any plan, it was the farmers land and he could give permission to anyone to shoot on his land. (Senior Police Officer requirement reduced, in an instant, to an irrelevance)

    Oh how I and the FLO concerned laughed.
    Last edited by Archer; 22-02-2012 at 13:46. Reason: (expanded for clarity)

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    Archer, this is true, and if there's any doubt then talking to the local office is the best plan. However, I'd say if the answer to "has this land been checked by the police as safe" is an unequivocal yes then you have exercised due dilligence in ensuring you do not breach the conditions on your certificate. If you can get them to sign a piece of paper saying that it's been checked you're doubly covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt_hooks View Post
    Archer, this is true, and if there's any doubt then talking to the local office is the best plan. However, I'd say if the answer to "has this land been checked by the police as safe" is an unequivocal yes then you have exercised due dilligence in ensuring you do not breach the conditions on your certificate. If you can get them to sign a piece of paper saying that it's been checked you're doubly covered.
    I understand what you are saying about due dilligence and agree, but for me, not being 100% certain would always be an "itch" that needed scratching .

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    As I said earlier Archer, I'd normally phone them up, and ask them to note the enquiry on my file, if only to prove that I have lots of shooting and improve my case for having the restrictive condition removed as soon as possible, but it's not NECESSARY to do it if you are reasonably sure that the ground has already been checked. When my first permission was checked the FEO spoke to the land owner and explained that the land was now cleared, and that she could tell people so if they asked, rather than them having to contact the police.

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    Jack is on the mark and has supplied the correct advice in my experience. A closed certificate means the FLO will want to be satisfied you are shooting on suitable land and it substantiates your 'good reason'. In the first five years of your licence you must supply letters of permission on the land you will shoot a Section 1 weapon and that includes paid stalking events, although an e-mail or receipt will do. To judge the land suitability a letter is not required but will be requested and attached to your record. Beyond the five years you should be able to judge the land with verbal permission yourself. The guidelines judge the man not the weapon in these circumstances I believe.

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