Hanoverian not Bavarian litter

barongcw

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There has been an unfortunate incident between my aged aunt’sPoodle and the local Jack Russell and my daughter, a vet, has confirmed thatpups will be born.
My aunt has asked me to get rid of them and I have therefore decided to give then away.
In order to help with this I have decided to call then HANOVERIANS.The Kennel Club has raised no objections as they do not recognise the breed.
The reason I have called them Hanoverians is that I have noticed that there are a number of people on this website who have paid, I guess, large amounts of money for Hanoverians without papers. These come for free; a much better deal.
Also I remind readers that Jagare on this website last year reported that a Poodle won the Swedish tracking championship a few years ago and you all know the determination of Jack Russells so this litter will becracking tracking dogs.
I expect great demand so pm’s will be treated in strict order.
 
There has been an unfortunate incident between my aged aunt’sPoodle and the local Jack Russell and my daughter, a vet, has confirmed thatpups will be born.
My aunt has asked me to get rid of them and I have therefore decided to give then away.
In order to help with this I have decided to call then HANOVERIANS.The Kennel Club has raised no objections as they do not recognise the breed.
The reason I have called them Hanoverians is that I have noticed that there are a number of people on this website who have paid, I guess, large amounts of money for Hanoverians without papers. These come for free; a much better deal.
Also I remind readers that Jagare on this website last year reported that a Poodle won the Swedish tracking championship a few years ago and you all know the determination of Jack Russells so this litter will becracking tracking dogs.
I expect great demand so pm’s will be treated in strict order.
:rofl:
 
just having my usual look on here at the for classifieds bit on here and noticed this non informative, small talk about deer dogs, i struggle to the point of this thread? no offence meant to any one so dont bite my head off.oh and as for the kennel club, before you know it there will be brain dead, over weight, show piece dogs being dragged round a ring to look at with no working ability. why do you think the vh and bgvh so guarded about hounds? because they have been specificly bred for 100s of years to excel at the work they do and not get "watered down" by show breeding and not getting enough live trial work. all this talk of bmh an hs is getting old, how many of the "stalkers" on here have ever seen/worked fully trained bmh/hs on live trails? i agree all what you say barongcw. it is the same as this "deer dog register" its ok talking about it, but what has actively came of it? how many people have used it? in this country there is way to much ego at steak to ever admit mistakes because 100% of uk stalkers never make mistakes and never need specialist deer dogs to AID uk deer stalking. As i said no biting my head off because i wont rise to a argument on something a limited amount of people have any idea about. no offence has been meant, i am away to carry on looking for any bargains and relax until the first clients arrive and sleep will be deprived atb.

Surely when someone gets a dog for deer that in itself is an admission that occasionally mistakes happen? Do you think they are just bought by some as a fashionable item that is seen now as a 'must have'?

Obviously if someone pays to stalkl, with a stalker then I would assume very few who take guests out will not have either their own dog or at least immediate access to one.

At some point in the future you may well see a BMH or HS in a show ring. But that is not to say that a pure working strain will also exist and be sold between stalkers only.

I agree with your sentiments entirely when it comes to admitting ones fallibility. I used to know a bloke who actually did a lot of stalking, but whenever there was a bad shot or a miss it was always down to the bit of heather he hadn't noticed or the deer moved just as he was squeezing the trigger. Eh no, it was down to his error.

Surely ego comes way down the list when animal welfare is the topic, or at least should be.

I think George's is just having a big dig at the KC, and quite rightly so...
 
The VH have good reason not to let any show people anywhere near these hounds
What I think Baron is pointing out on this day is that Hanoverians with certain problems known to the VH have been bred without papers
Steyr,any hound is better than no hound,however,would you buy let's say labs without hip scores being done?
If so buyer beware springs to mind.
Same with Hanoverians,better with papers,even KC papers(in time),people breeding them could put stipulations on the buyer or don't sell to people who don't stalk,I would say large numbers of deer as well not just recreationally but that's my view on it.
The KC have ruined a lot of breeds but in this country we are stuck with them
Without proper papers from the continent(FCI)the KC won't recognise these working hounds,ie without FCI papers,before buying a pup I'd be asking about IVSH tests as wellI
BGS in this country I think have went down the wrong route IMO,one that I hope the HS don't,ie fashion statement route,showing dogs in the ring etc,Grrrrrr!!!!!!!These dogs belong in heavily worked homes preferably with bits of paper so they can be verified without history of certain genetic diseases,eg epilepsy
Yes I've seen both hounds on live tracks and cold ones and a properly trained handler and hound are a sight to behold IMO when trained correctly along continental ways,this is where the UK has to catch up
PS Steyr chill it's the 1st and you've a lot of bucks to come;)
 
:D yeah yeah, but there are pointless posts of this sort all over this bit, why didnt this thread go into jokes and funnies bit. if only this kind of thread ONLY popped up on the 1st!
and barongcw :tiphat: was still a fair point though feeling a new thread on the way:scared:

You got the date bit. That was point 1

Point 2 is that if you buy a second hand car you, I hope, quite carefully check the papers, the registration certificate, the MOT and check up on the owner yet people buy an HS or BMH without doing any checks at all on the pedigree or the owner. Unwise and will lead the problems. The worst I have yet seen is a lady in Germany selling dogs with Bulgarian papers, am told she is on her way to jail but German Justice (like english?) works slowly.

Point 3 is that without the Kennel Club no litter born in this country will have pedigree papers. That is a fact of life. If I listen to the BMH Society the Kennel Club does not seem to be overly concerned about the work ability. Probably better because I have not yet found anybody in there who knows anything about real tracking. If showdogs appear than so be it. I still would only buy one with a pedigree but I would either want to see the parents work or be told by somebody I trust that they are top working dogs.

Point 4 In my view a tracking register will only come into its own when the dogs listed on there have passed a stiff test. Too much for one man to organise, I hope the BDS will eventually start one with training courses mainly for the owners (The dogs normally are basically good; they just have to be taught the right way).

Point 5 is that in the UK people are still embarrassed to admit to somebody that they have missed or wounded. That, in my view, will change over time.
 
You got the date bit. That was point 1

Point 2 is that if you buy a second hand car you, I hope, quite carefully check the papers, the registration certificate, the MOT and check up on the owner yet people buy an HS or BMH without doing any checks at all on the pedigree or the owner. Unwise and will lead the problems. The worst I have yet seen is a lady in Germany selling dogs with Bulgarian papers, am told she is on her way to jail but German Justice (like english?) works slowly.

Point 3 is that without the Kennel Club no litter born in this country will have pedigree papers. That is a fact of life. If I listen to the BMH Society the Kennel Club does not seem to be overly concerned about the work ability. Probably better because I have not yet found anybody in there who knows anything about real tracking. If showdogs appear than so be it. I still would only buy one with a pedigree but I would either want to see the parents work or be told by somebody I trust that they are top working dogs.

Point 4 In my view a tracking register will only come into its own when the dogs listed on there have passed a stiff test. Too much for one man to organise, I hope the BDS will eventually start one with training courses mainly for the owners (The dogs normally are basically good; they just have to be taught the right way).

Point 5 is that in the UK people are still embarrassed to admit to somebody that they have missed or wounded. That, in my view, will change over time.
Much more eloquently put than I :tiphat:
 
Well said baron. steyer 243 if you want to see a stupid post go to genaral discusions and read 6.5/ 284 about shotplacement. not hillarous!!. and then have a dig at him it would be deserved.
 
100% with you on this one. but something needs to be done as more and more exotic dogs arrive. not just bmh or hs but others too. a similar thing to bmh society maybe. even a national deer dog register with some kind of test certificate? it has been tried a few times and failed though, i suppose most working dog breeders or others will be reluctant to let pups go to non working homes which i guess makes a good working gene pool anyway, it gives enthusiasts something to think about for the future, this is the correct place to discuss this with like minded people.

The problem, as I see it, is as follows, I talk about HS only:

Without the breed being accepted by the Kennel Club a litter born in this country will have no pedigree papers. The Kennel Club insists on there being at least 20 dogs with export pedigrees from their country of origin in the UK.

AND the KC insists that the, let us call it Hanoverian Scent Hound Society, makes itself responsible, houses etc any unwanted dogs. This would be a huge strain for a tiny Society. Ask the BMHS.

But one could form a Club with like thinking members who own HS's with pedigrees. There are only 6 that I know, a bit elitist but so what. The problem there is that they are all over the country so organising a tracking event etc involves huge mileage.
But perhaps we should do it. There is no rush as the ones I know are all being trained along continental priciples.
 
100% with you on this one. but something needs to be done as more and more exotic dogs arrive. not just bmh or hs but others too. a similar thing to bmh society maybe. even a national deer dog register with some kind of test certificate? it has been tried a few times and failed though, i suppose most working dog breeders or others will be reluctant to let pups go to non working homes which i guess makes a good working gene pool anyway, it gives enthusiasts something to think about for the future, this is the correct place to discuss this with like minded people.

I was very, very fortunate to have been given the chance of a dog on firstly Barons recommendation and then by involving Rudi in Belgium.

I appreciate what it means to get a dog through this source and whether or not it is from Germany or Rudis friend in Hungary it matters not. I know the dog has proper papers an hopefully one day, some others here may get the chance to own one as well, because they are fantastic animals and when seen working in the proper hands really are suited to stalking in this country. I am a total novice to this breed but not gundogs, that said I have the assistance of some very knowledgeable people on here.

If in the future I decide to breed from her (because I want a pup), should Rudi or Georges suggest a particular dog in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe, I am prepared to travel to ensure the integrity of the breed. That's away in the future however and may never happen, but one thing I know for certain, no pup will go anywhere except to a stalkers home and it will have to be proven a such...
 
as i said not having a did at anyone, that thread is pretty :cuckoo: we all know the eco warriors are full of humour?
we are all on the same page, its something to think about for the future.

No probs at all with the comments, good thread and hopefully stays that way... :D
 
100% with you on this one. but something needs to be done as more and more exotic dogs arrive. not just bmh or hs but others too. a similar thing to bmh society maybe. even a national deer dog register with some kind of test certificate? it has been tried a few times and failed though, i suppose most working dog breeders or others will be reluctant to let pups go to non working homes which i guess makes a good working gene pool anyway, it gives enthusiasts something to think about for the future, this is the correct place to discuss this with like minded people.
I have an iron or two in the fire regarding compulsory testing of dog and handler;)Not everyone will be enamoured
 
Well lads i have just contacted the Kennel club and my dog is KC reg on the dads side i have a show winning tracking Blood hound and on the Dams side i have a KC reg chiwawa with a snipe nose so you see RIA is a KC bitch lol.
RIA with her first fallow. Starting to muscle up but still in great nick.

fallow002.jpg
 
Well lads i have just contacted the Kennel club and my dog is KC reg on the dads side i have a show winning tracking Blood hound and on the Dams side i have a KC reg chiwawa with a snipe nose so you see RIA is a KC bitch lol.
RIA with her first fallow. Starting to muscle up but still in great nick.

fallow002.jpg

Welcome, was awaiting your comments with baited breath but choosing between the one in the text and the one in the picture I prefer the latter.
 
Baron dont you think my txt cross would be a short cut to tracking glory,s :rofl:. I here there is a set of sent shoes winging there way down to me for a wee go.Thanks. I will let you know how i get on with them. by the way crosses are for on graves
 
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