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    Importing a rifle from EU countries ?

    Hi all - anyone know anything about buying and importing a rifle from other EU countries specifically France - do you just need a slot on your ticket - also how about buying from a private individual as opposed to a gunshop.
    Is it possible to just turn up at British Customs etc ?

    ATB
    Last edited by Falcodave; 29-04-2012 at 18:21.

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    [QUOTE=Falcodave;368503]Hi all - anyone know anything about buying and importing a rifle from other EU countries specifically France - do you just need a slot on your ticket - also how about buying from a private individual as opposed to a gunshop.
    Is it possible to just turn up at British Customs etc ?

    Hi normally in Britian you need the caliba confirmed first through the police [as you know] you need a copied bill with all the rifling information to you , you then have two choices either get the shop over here get it sent to your local gun shop [inform them before ]they might require a small handling fee , or if it is a private sale possibly sent to you or you local fire arms unit , but normally customs are not involved , "BUT NOTIFY "all the correct agencies before and no problems should occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcodave View Post
    Hi all - anyone know anything about buying and importing a rifle from other EU countries specifically France - do you just need a slot on your ticket - also how about buying from a private individual as opposed to a gunshop.
    Is it possible to just turn up at British Customs etc ?

    ATB
    Apologies in advance if this question has already been asked and answered elsewhere on here, but as a search didn't turn anything up, here goes...

    A friend of mine (no, really!) has committed himself to buy a rifle from a dealer in Germany and is planning to have it sent to the RFD he uses in the UK. As it happens, the same UK RFD will also be visiting the German RFD's premises in a few weeks' time and so could collect the rifle in person.

    My friend's question is: which method of getting the rifle to the UK would be easier, and what paperwork would be required in each case?

    I had supposed that all the UK RFD would need to do would be to send the German RFD a copy of his details, after which the German RFD would post the rifle to him, but maybe it's more complicated than that.

    If anyone has experience of this kind of sale/transfer, it would be great to know how you did it.

    TIA
    I buy most of my rifles on the continent. What I do is as follows:

    1 I obtain the details, number etc from the rifle I want to buy.
    2 I contact my local Firearms Department and ask them to put the rifle on my FAC.
    3 I send a copy of this to the German dealer.
    4 He then sends the rifle to my local approved gunshop where I collect it.

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    I have just had a firearm sent over from Germany. The problem at the moment is that TNT or any other courier, will NOT insure weapons sent across borders from Germany, and so the gun export trade in Germany has dried up a fair bit as it is not worth the risk for a gunshop to sending something out uninsured. So when I found what I was looking for I looked for a third part to basically sort everything out. The process I am aware of is that the German local government must have some paperwork filled in, cost is about 70euros; add to this shipping, handling and insurance. I paid about Ģ200 all in, direct to my RFD. All my RFD had to do was email his RFD and Passport to Germany. Then he was sent it via courier and put it on his books, and then my FAC as normal.

    I was considering going over to get it, but with flights, car etc it would only have been marginally cheaper, add in the fact that I would still incure the 80euro paperwork fee to the government as it needs to come out of the country and it was more expensive.

    There us a European Firearms Pass, for taking guns on holiday in Europe, but not sure what you would do to buy one? Would the slot be added to you European Firearms Pass?

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    I’ve mentioned this previously on this site so you should be able to find the information that you require by doing a search but I will repeat it just the same.
    It couldn’t be easier buying from a dealer, I don’t know regarding buying from an individual. I have previously bought rifles on two separate occasions in France direct from gunsmiths (yes they have gunsmiths in France and not just dealers). Each time I ensured that I had a space on my FAC for the rifle I wished to purchase so that I could legally possess it on my return and also mention on my EFP so that I could possess it in France. I emailed scans of my documents to the armurier a week or so before travelling to France so that he could deal with all the paperwork on his end. Obviously I had my passport with me as proof of identity. I informed U.K. customs on arrival at eurotunnel but quite frankly they took a few notes but weren’t really interested as all my paperwork was in order. I then informed my Chief Constable on my return of my acquisition.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cappi View Post

    TIA
    I buy most of my rifles on the continent. What I do is as follows:

    1 I obtain the details, number etc from the rifle I want to buy.
    2 I contact my local Firearms Department and ask them to put the rifle on my FAC.
    3 I send a copy of this to the German dealer.
    4 He then sends the rifle to my local approved gunshop where I collect it.
    100% agree with this. I do the same with one addition. At the same time as asking the UK FD to add the rifle to my FAC I also ask them to put it on my EFP. No costs for the latter.

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    I realise I'm resurrecting an old thread here, but I don't think this question warrants a new one. If I wanted to buy a rifle from an individual in France as opposed to an RFD, for instance using Naturabuy.fr, would the following process work, assuming the seller agreed to cooperate?
    1. I obtain the necessary slot on my FAC beforehand, obviusly.
    2. I buy the rifle, supplying copies of my FAC, and ask the seller to send the rifle to a gunshop in France, for instance the one where I buy ammunition near my in-laws.
    3. Always assuming that everyone in teh chain has agreed to help, I ask the French RFD to send the rifle to my UK one.
    4. I pick up the rifle from my UK RFD and he enters it on my FAC, just as if I'd bought it here.

    Is that correct?

    Now that said, given that a load of sellers on Naturabuy specify that they won't send guns and that it's collection only, it may be harder than it needs to be. They also fail to sell their guns this way. I'm not sure why they set themselves up to fail in this way.

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    No. Just as it is illegal for an RFD in UK to sell a weapon to a Frenchman, and allow him to walk out of the shop with it, on the sole strength of that Frenchman's French Permis de Chasse or Permis de Tir. It is also illegal for a gunshop in France to sell a weapon to a British Citizen who does not possess any form of authority VALID IN FRANCE to acquire TAKE AWAY IN PERSON and possess that weapon.

    So you cannot legally walk into a gunshop with a British FAC and buy a weapon authoried to acquire on that FAC over the counter and take it away.

    Remember that British rule of law, despite some police forces specifying on conditions of "big game" rifles what it may be used for "in Africa", and that a British FAC is no more nor less valid in France than the Sudoku puzzle torn out of Le Parisien newspaper.

    The old facility to acquire some .22 rimfire rifles merely with proof of ID and proof of a French address ceased some half decade ago. So any import or export must be done as if the British Citizen customer is, in fact, not present in France. As a normal import export done by telephone or e-mail.
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 20-11-2013 at 15:23.

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    Yes, OK, that makes sense, so I personally can't buy a rifle from an individual in France, but I could have it imported by an RFD here from an RFD in France on my behalf, correct? That's the missing link in my plan I think. So really, I would need to commission an RFD in the UK to buy from an RFD in France on my behalf. If the original seller was an individual, I'd have to have the RFD buy the rifle from them on my behalf. In practice though, the French RFD is going to want to make some money from this. Therefore really, I'd probably have to tell them what I'm after, they'll find it however they please, and then charge me for it accordingly when they export it to my RFD here. Something like that.

    Although I know that people in France buy from Frankonia in Germany quite happily. I daresay that's because Frankonia handles all the import/export business since they have branches on both sides of the Rhine. Plus of course the UK doesn't recognise the EFP as a sufficient document, unlike most other EU countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    No. Just as it is illegal for an RFD in UK to sell a weapon to a Frenchman, and allow him to walk out of the shop with it, on the sole strength of that Frenchman's French Permis de Chasse or Permis de Tir. It is also illegal for a gunshop in France to sell a weapon to a British Citizen who does not possess any form of authority VALID IN FRANCE to acquire TAKE AWAY IN PERSON and possess that weapon.

    So you cannot legally walk into a gunshop with a British FAC and buy a weapon authoried to acquire on that FAC over the counter and take it away.

    Remember that British rule of law, despite some police forces specifying on conditions of "big game" rifles what it may be used for "in Africa", and that a British FAC is no more nor less valid in France than the Sudoku puzzle torn out of Le Parisien newspaper.

    The old facility to acquire some .22 rimfire rifles merely with proof of ID and proof of a French address ceased some half decade ago. So any import or export must be done as if the British Citizen customer is, in fact, not present in France. As a normal import export done by telephone or e-mail.
    Why not, I've done it on two occasions in the past.

    Though in all honesty I did contact the dealer first and sent him photo copies of my passport, FAC and EFP. I had slots for the rifle that I wanted to purchase on my FAC and mention of the rifle on my EFP. The rifles that I purchased in France were category five I believe (express rifles). I simply popped into the shop and purchased the rifles as you would in this country. It may well be more difficult with rifles that fall into other categories.

    P.S. Oh and by the way I entered both rifles on to my own certificate myself as that is what my firearms department recommended that I do. I obviously informed my Chief Constable of the purchases immediately on my return. By emailing the dealer in advance I was able to supply my force with serial numbers for the EFP prior to my departure for France. I tried to declare both rifles at British customs at Calais but they simply weren't interested.
    Last edited by 8x57; 20-11-2013 at 17:12.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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