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    Buying a second hand 17hmr

    Hi, I'm due to buy my 1st .17hmr and I've been offered a few 2nd hand rifles however I'm not ture if 2nd hand is the way to go and if so what to look out for. I bought my .22lr 2nd hand but that's because I was told that its rare to wear them out. I believe that the .17hmr is another story though. Does anyone have any thoughts on this ? What should I look out for ? Any help would be greatfully received.
    Kind regards, Olaf

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    Although the hmr is quick it's not that quick aparently you won't wear out a barrell unless its does tens of thousands. Go for quality Sako Quad,Anschuzt or Weirach and you won't go wrong. I got a cracking quad both barrells virtually new 400 .
    Good luck

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    if at all possible always shoot a second hand rifle.
    Use the rounds that makes it work (usually 17gr over 20gr)

    Lots of options out there now.

    Might be worth locating a good (but unlikely to be cheap) ammo supplier locally first.

    Buy ammo in as large a batch as you can once you have found which one it likes.
    as a matter of course watch out for squib rounds, very rare considering the volume of ammo flying about but stories are increasing in regularity.
    HMR's dont like it when you send another round up the tube with one stuck in it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewsher500 View Post
    if at all possible always shoot a second hand rifle.
    Use the rounds that makes it work (usually 17gr over 20gr)

    Lots of options out there now.

    Might be worth locating a good (but unlikely to be cheap) ammo supplier locally first.

    Buy ammo in as large a batch as you can once you have found which one it likes.
    as a matter of course watch out for squib rounds, very rare considering the volume of ammo flying about but stories are increasing in regularity.
    HMR's dont like it when you send another round up the tube with one stuck in it!
    Thanks, that's realy helpful. I've hear about these squib rounds and they sound rather horrible,what exactly happens ? Are there any tell tale signs that the bullet did not exit the barrel ? For example, does it make a blunt sound or anything like that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by liongeorge View Post
    Although the hmr is quick it's not that quick aparently you won't wear out a barrell unless its does tens of thousands. Go for quality Sako Quad,Anschuzt or Weirach and you won't go wrong. I got a cracking quad both barrells virtually new 400 .
    Good luck
    Thanks for this too Liongeorge, I did not realise that the hmr can take quite so many rounds down the pipe before its had it. I agree with the quality purchace rule that you mention too, I've sourced 2 end hand Anschutz rifles and a Weirauch so far. I intend to buy the one that shoots the best groups, so if I can't shoot it before its purchase then I'm not buying it.

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    General condition of secondhand is a fair indicator id say,same as anything, if its not been well looked after you will soon tell, my cz may not be top quality gear but its done 15ish thousand rounds and still shoots really well, solid workhorse and reliable! not everyones choice but works well

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    I agree, the CZ's are good guns, however, I've already got a .22 lr Anschutz that's fantastic and only cost me 150 second hand. The .22 has shot 2k since I've had it, it groups at 2 1/2 " at 100 yds, and it was 30 years old when I bought it ! The Anschutz rifles that I have on offer are 340 and 380 which I think is pretty cheap considering that all of the CZ's were around that 300 to 400 bracket too.
    What kind of grouping are you still getting with your CZ now ? Is it much different from when you 1st got it or is it still the same ?
    Thanks for your advice.

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    floated and bedded it from new, factory trigger is fine in mine so didnt bother doing it and it still groups at 1/2 an inch or so at 100yds after all its had through it

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    copied and pasted from airgunbbs>firearms>HMR throat erosion, posted by "some bloke"
    Date: 16-4-2012. Time: 0830hrs
    HMR throat erosion?

    I've shot some 8000~9000 rounds through my Sako Quad hmr barrel and it occasionally goes off song but clears up again after a darn good shafting with Tetra gun copper solvent/amonia and Bench rest copper solvent. Of late it has taken longer to settle down again after a good rodding but it gets there in the end.

    All was well until I ran out of Hornady HMR rounds, my local RFD had none in stock. I went with his recomendation of some Winchester rounds on the understanding that he would change them if the gun no likey. I went to zero them at 50 yards as a starter. Well first magazine full and they didn't load smoothly: The necks arn't crimped and the proud edge fouled the breech as the bolt pushed them forwards.

    First shot there was a very unusual report, I checked the bullet had left the barrel ok. Next few rounds were all over the place I gave up trying groups of three and went for five instead. Typical group was one sounded bad, and the others grouped about 6", sometimes missing the A4 sheet. I gave up after 40 shots. I've given the barrel the most intense shafting ever and it's still all over the place.

    I tried zeroing again this morning, first with some Remingtons that I was given, no success and then some Hornady's that I managed to source last week. At one point I got some touching at 50 yards but on the whole still flying all over the place. I again gave it a ruddy good seeing to this morning with a new nylon and new bronze brush and became aware that the cleaning rod doen't start to twist untill the brush is something like three to five inches up the barrel. Is that normal?

    The crown looks perfect even with a magnifying glass and in desperation I have cleaned out and put new baffles into the Utra mod.
    The rifle was supplied as a .22. The HMR barrel is listed separately so if i want to change it I'll have to go through the variation rigmarol.

    Thoughts and ideas please gents.
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    Sir, in talking to friends over the water, this time last year on reading a similar tale of woe on another site, I find that your SAKO quad barrel has lasted about three times longer than any of theirs.

    Be grateful.

    A squint into the area of the leade of any of their barrels shows strong speckling/frosting and a marked reduction in accuracy in around 3000 rounds or so. A pal of mine in Eugene OR shot out his barrel in under 2000 rounds - from 3/4" ten shot groups to 3-4" groups - he is no mean shooter, being the county BR champion as well. The lack of rotation on your cleaning rod shows that your rifling has been 'burned out' in this vital area, and no amount of cleaning will replace it.

    In a word, your barrel is now a a hose.

    IMO writing a snottogram to SAKO will do you little good, as a round-count like yours would be considered far above average, but you could try it and let us know how you get on - there are more than a few such rifle combos in my club.

    tac

    Edit - a couple of points re your habit of shooting consecutive groups. - IMO you are treating this hyper-velocity rimfire like a competition target rifle, something it is decidedly not. It was intended to be used in a less frantic manner, and I have to ask if you'd shoot any centre-fire hunting cartridge the same way? Throat erosion of the type you've got only takes place when the constant firing of groups does not permit the gun to cool down sufficiently - this is why many of the higher-calibre target rifle shooters change out their barrels for every season of shooting. Some, like the 6.5-284, burn out in less than 1500 shots and are useless thereafter except as expensive rebar for laying concrete flooring. You seem to have joined the same group of shooters, but after an extraordinarily long life for your barrel. Like I said, be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack View Post
    copied and pasted from airgunbbs>firearms>HMR throat erosion, posted by "some bloke"
    Date: 16-4-2012. Time: 0830hrs
    HMR throat erosion?
    I've shot some 8000~9000 rounds through my Sako Quad hmr barrel and it occasionally goes off song but clears up again after a darn good shafting with Tetra gun copper solvent/amonia and Bench rest copper solvent. Of late it has taken longer to settle down again after a good rodding but it gets there in the end.

    All was well until I ran out of Hornady HMR rounds, my local RFD had none in stock. I went with his recomendation of some Winchester rounds on the understanding that he would change them if the gun no likey. I went to zero them at 50 yards as a starter. Well first magazine full and they didn't load smoothly: The necks arn't crimped and the proud edge fouled the breech as the bolt pushed them forwards.

    First shot there was a very unusual report, I checked the bullet had left the barrel ok. Next few rounds were all over the place I gave up trying groups of three and went for five instead. Typical group was one sounded bad, and the others grouped about 6", sometimes missing the A4 sheet. I gave up after 40 shots. I've given the barrel the most intense shafting ever and it's still all over the place.

    I tried zeroing again this morning, first with some Remingtons that I was given, no success and then some Hornady's that I managed to source last week. At one point I got some touching at 50 yards but on the whole still flying all over the place. I again gave it a ruddy good seeing to this morning with a new nylon and new bronze brush and became aware that the cleaning rod doen't start to twist untill the brush is something like three to five inches up the barrel. Is that normal?

    The crown looks perfect even with a magnifying glass and in desperation I have cleaned out and put new baffles into the Utra mod.
    The rifle was supplied as a .22. The HMR barrel is listed separately so if i want to change it I'll have to go through the variation rigmarol.

    Thoughts and ideas please gents.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    The key response is this:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Sir, in talking to friends over the water, this time last year on reading a similar tale of woe on another site, I find that your SAKO quad barrel has lasted about three times longer than any of theirs.

    Be grateful.

    A squint into the area of the leade of any of their barrels shows strong speckling/frosting and a marked reduction in accuracy in around 3000 rounds or so. A pal of mine in Eugene OR shot out his barrel in under 2000 rounds - from 3/4" ten shot groups to 3-4" groups - he is no mean shooter, being the county BR champion as well. The lack of rotation on your cleaning rod shows that your rifling has been 'burned out' in this vital area, and no amount of cleaning will replace it.

    In a word, your barrel is now a a hose.

    IMO writing a snottogram to SAKO will do you little good, as a round-count like yours would be considered far above average, but you could try it and let us know how you get on - there are more than a few such rifle combos in my club.

    tac

    Edit - a couple of points re your habit of shooting consecutive groups. - IMO you are treating this hyper-velocity rimfire like a competition target rifle, something it is decidedly not. It was intended to be used in a less frantic manner, and I have to ask if you'd shoot any centre-fire hunting cartridge the same way? Throat erosion of the type you've got only takes place when the constant firing of groups does not permit the gun to cool down sufficiently - this is why many of the higher-calibre target rifle shooters change out their barrels for every season of shooting. Some, like the 6.5-284, burn out in less than 1500 shots and are useless thereafter except as expensive rebar for laying concrete flooring. You seem to have joined the same group of shooters, but after an extraordinarily long life for your barrel. Like I said, be grateful.
    Thanks for all of this info. I actually think that I might reconsider the whole second hand idea now. Thanks for the advice.

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