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Thread: Shooting Times Wednesday 16th May.

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    Shooting Times Wednesday 16th May.

    Has anyone read the article by Graham Downing in this week’s Shooting Times entitled Boar on the Border. Am I reading it wrong or is Mr Downing admitting to hunting in France with a .308 rifle?
    Perhaps it is just the way the article is written or more likely edited, but the area that the hunt takes place would appear to be in France close to the border with Germany. Mr Downing tells us in the story that he uses his favourite .308 rifle after changing the scope to one more suited to driven game shooting. Presumably the cartridge referred to is the .308 winchester which numerous previous debates on this website has established as being unsuitable (illegal) to use for hunting in France.
    Is it possible that Mr Dowling one of Shooting Times most illustrious contributors can now expect a visit from the rozzers to serve a European arrest warrant on behalf of the gendarmes. Did Mr Downing chance his arm or is it that the story is inaccurate in some way and either the rifle wasn’t a .308 winchester, or that the actual hunting took place the other side of the border in Germany?
    I emailed Shooting Times on Wednesday to enquire but have still to receive a reply.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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    I spotted that too, but decided to ignore it and concentrate on the fact that it's about hunting in my region of France, Alsace, and that Graham Downing didn't make any of the all-too-common comments about how "it's Germany really". OK, so he said that the language was a mix of French and German, whereas it's actually a branch of Allemanic, so a type of proto-German on another branch of the linguistic tree, but the chances are what he heard are people speaking Alsatian and peppering it with French words, as happens a lot nowadays, all of which suggests that he's paying attention.

    There's no way they were hunting over the border though, there's no reciprocal arrangement with the neighbours to make that easy to do on a regular basis.

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    A beautiful part of Europe regardless of which flag flies over it.
    I do hope that I get a reply from Shooting Times so as to clarify the situation, or perhaps someone is now running around like a headless chicken trying to put things right.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post
    debates on this website has established as being unsuitable (illegal) to use for hunting in France
    Does this website set the laws of France? Doesn't matter what WE say surely . I remember said thread(s) and I don't recall it being 'proven' what the exact word of French law is...

    Without wanting to reopen debate... I thought the law was around procurement/ownership of military calibres in France, acquired through French RFDs, and ownership by French nationals being illegal... but that visiting shooters can use their calibre of choice with the correct permit...

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    A very good of mine was a keeper for Louis Vitton in Orlean nr Paris, he shot nearly 200 boar a year with a 222, biggest one 140kg still the estate record.
    Last edited by news of the world; 18-05-2012 at 10:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post
    A beautiful part of Europe regardless of which flag flies over it.
    I do hope that I get a reply from Shooting Times so as to clarify the situation, or perhaps someone is now running around like a headless chicken trying to put things right.
    i bet you wont get a reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by news of the world View Post
    Technically a 308 is not a military caliber.
    I agree .308win is not technically a military calibre but it is regarded as such in France because rifles chambered for it can also chamber 7.62x51

    Stig perhaps I should have worded it better. I think that the numerous debates over the last five or six years had established the situation in France. None of us is trying to establish any laws in France, the law is the law whether you agree with it or not. Only one of the numerous debates was about procurement many were about using "military calibres" or travelling through France with "military calibres".
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stig View Post
    Does this website set the laws of France? Doesn't matter what WE say surely . I remember said thread(s) and I don't recall it being 'proven' what the exact word of French law is...

    Without wanting to reopen debate... I thought the law was around procurement/ownership of military calibres in France, acquired through French RFDs, and ownership by French nationals being illegal... but that visiting shooters can use their calibre of choice with the correct permit...
    I, for one (and I know others have done some of this too) have had French links to law and even a French lawyer give advice and posted same on this site.

    In France game hunting with the prohibited equipment, including weapons of war and/or the ammunition that fits them, it has been explained repeatedly, is an offence. Now, whether or not someone gets "caught" is an other matter entirely. It's not even clear just how strenuously this might be Policed, but it has been made quite clear it is unlawful. So, please yourself.

    ps. Just for clarity, .308 winchester is on the list of prohibited cartridges, because it is taken to fit 7.62 Nato weapon systems.
    Last edited by Tamus; 18-05-2012 at 11:28. Reason: added ps.

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    One thought has occurred and I would love to see it tested in court (by someone else)

    When one shoots game, one does not shoot it with a cartridge one shoots it with a bullet.

    The 300win mag is a very popular "Sanglier" cartridge and it fires .308" bullets...

    There has to be some "wiggle" room in these facts, with a good Lawyer, a fair Judge and a following wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by news of the world View Post
    A very good of mine was a keeper for Louis Vitton in Orlean nr Paris, he shot nearly 200 boar a year with a 222, biggest one 140kg still the estate record.
    I presume that was some time ago or that they weren't driven? Didn't someone post only a few days ago that the minimum calibre for driven boar is 7mm, or was that in reference to another country? Still that's pretty good going for a .222 which is still one of my favourite calibres, but I don't think I'll give it a try on the boar, call me yellow if you like.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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