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Thread: When is enough enough ?

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    When is enough enough ?

    Just lately Ive seen threads like "can i shoot deer out of season inside a fenced plantation , by the way the gates open " or "can i shoot geese because their crapping on the lawn" and "Ive been asked to shoot hares , why cant i see them to shoot them ?" . Must we shoot everything just because its legal under the general license , are we just trigger men ? Where are the true countrymen these days ? In the case of hares the next thing we know the threads will read "Ive shot all the hares because of scum with long dogs" , these scum arent out now catching jills with levrets are they ? Lets remember the words of king George VI are printed in the shooting times every week

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    I know exactley what you mean

    However there is free access on here fore every one and that means from 6 years old to 600 years old, and every background under the sun
    Some people i know i would get on with if i met them and some i would skirt round

    Yes the dog lads are out killing leverets even now
    Humans are pre wired with fight or flight response
    Great Grandad fought, Grandad fought.
    For the sake of my Grandchild I wish for Less Flight responses entering Europe

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    I've got running dogs, and I shoot, most things are safe from me while they are breeding, apart from the magpirates and crows, I dont run hares at all ever its illegal, and i'm not very keen on being called scum either, I will freely admit that there are plenty of real idiots in the dog world but then there are some truely great country men too!

    It doesn't matter how you hunt respect for your quarry is the most important part of hunting!

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    I know what you are getting at, already know of places that shoot every hare on sight to keep the men with the long dogs off,

    In the old days we would catch and prosecute these guys, but thats not really an option today, in days gone by you could legally use as much force as was necessary to apprehend someone in fact a gamekeeper had as much power if not more than a policeman on private land, these days are gone and you have no protection in law if you end up mixing it with these guys.

    Also not as many keepers on the ground one thing when you had a team , but you can't expect a single handed keeper to go up against a group of yobs.

    You can report to the Police, it depends on where you are but in a lot of areas its not considered a priority,even if the police do arrive on the scene this guys just melt away, abandoning the dogs.


    Lets be honest the Police are more likely to catch a cold than catch these guys.

    So though its sad to see I can understand why some are reducing hare numbers on their land, as its not only hares but nothing is safe if these guys have seen it on the land, quad bikes, farmers diesel tanks, lead from roofs and so on.

    Let me say I have nothing against long dogs,nor responsible owners of long dogs but its the old story,the actions of a few spoil it for many.

    As for the other points regarding out of season shooting of deer geese or what ever, there needs to be provision for such action, but it should only ever be seen as a last resort when no other action can resolve the problem, it should never be seen as the norm.
    Last edited by bogtrotter; 19-05-2012 at 15:17.

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    I will freely admit that there are plenty of real idiots in the dog world but then there are some truely great country men too!

    +1 but unfortunately in this neck of the woods the idiots outnumber the countrymen around 50/1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trouble View Post
    Just lately Ive seen threads like "can i shoot deer out of season inside a fenced plantation , by the way the gates open " or "can i shoot geese because their crapping on the lawn" and "Ive been asked to shoot hares , why cant i see them to shoot them ?" . Must we shoot everything just because its legal under the general license , are we just trigger men ? Where are the true countrymen these days ? In the case of hares the next thing we know the threads will read "Ive shot all the hares because of scum with long dogs" , these scum arent out now catching jills with levrets are they ? Lets remember the words of king George VI are printed in the shooting times every week
    Good point, true sporting activity is when you can decide not to take the shot.atb Tim

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    I consider one of my stronger points, not what I do shoot, but what I don't.

    I shoot foxes, but not every one I see, just ones that are causing problems or ones that I think may cause problems.

    Deer, I shoot cull beasts, I have never shot a trophy beast, nor do I have the urge to. This is not a cost issue, as I have my own land.

    The quarry list is not a bucket list, but a guide to what may be shot if required.


    Country stewardship is about balance not eradication.

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    well said trouble an pilgrimmick i also shoot fox and have done for 30 years but only as you say the ones who are causing problems or are likley to
    life and death is part an parcel of the countryside but not a dick measure contest so an so shot x amount and such tripe i know idiots down here
    who by the weekend admit they get frustrated by friday if they havnt killed somthing an when they do they gob off bout it to all an sundry like they
    are expecting to be awarded the iron cross an they think they are country men we all as shooters give death but its nice to give life as well

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    Agreed, a minority let the majority down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilgrimmick View Post
    I consider one of my stronger points, not what I do shoot, but what I don't.

    I shoot foxes, but not every one I see, just ones that are causing problems or ones that I think may cause problems.

    Deer, I shoot cull beasts, I have never shot a trophy beast, nor do I have the urge to. This is not a cost issue, as I have my own land.

    The quarry list is not a bucket list, but a guide to what may be shot if required.


    Country stewardship is about balance not eradication.
    Good points being made but I wouldn't deprive yourself of a trophy for the wall, especially if you have worked hard for it! The big fellas need taking out now and then as part of a balanced cull.

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