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    Puppy with Potential?

    As our GSP puppy has turned 6 months old this weekend I thought I would take some very flaky mobile phone footage of how she is performing with regards to retrieving.

    I think she has some potential apart from delivery, what are your thoughts?



    Scent training is next on the list...

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    Personaly I feel you are doing to much to quickly and not concentrating on some very important factors
    On which the delivery is a very important part and you hav just bypassed that fault by throwing more dummies instead of sorting it and it is quite easy to sort
    You do need to be carefull that you don't put the " I can retrieve but drop at your feet syndrome " as a given
    As that may never be rectified
    the fact she is only 6 months old and the bone structure is not really upto the punishment you are putting the dog through due to the exerted pressure of the amount of retrieves at one go and the fence
    Not really that suitable to jump for a young dog
    Part from that i feel you need to do less retrieves but more concentrated ones
    And you should of started the tracking atleast 3 months ago, but I don't feel it will matter to much
    As your dog looks like it has the mentality to cope
    But on the whole a very nice pup

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    Quote Originally Posted by stone View Post
    Personaly I feel you are doing to much to quickly and not concentrating on some very important factors
    On which the delivery is a very important part and you hav just bypassed that fault by throwing more dummies instead of sorting it and it is quite easy to sort
    You do need to be carefull that you don't put the " I can retrieve but drop at your feet syndrome " as a given
    As that may never be rectified
    the fact she is only 6 months old and the bone structure is not really upto the punishment you are putting the dog through due to the exerted pressure of the amount of retrieves at one go and the fence
    Not really that suitable to jump for a young dog
    Part from that i feel you need to do less retrieves but more concentrated ones
    And you should of started the tracking atleast 3 months ago, but I don't feel it will matter to much
    As your dog looks like it has the mentality to cope
    But on the whole a very nice pup
    Thanks for your honest reply.

    I only do the retrieving training every third day and I know what you mean about the fence but the bugger jumps it herself 20 times every day!

    I have to seriously concentrate on the delivery but this will be the first dog I've trained so it all may take some time to come together. The scent training is something that I have neglected unfortunately but it is my next priority, I'm sure she has the nose for it because she finds that dummy in the long grass with a blind throw.

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    Very fair comments
    Can I ask what will you be doing with the dog
    Is it going to be a picking up dog or for rough shooting
    Of course there is the stalking side
    But as you hav concentrated on controll and dummies from the off as a first dog
    I feel the bird shooting will be a bigger influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by stone View Post
    Very fair comments
    Can I ask what will you be doing with the dog
    Is it going to be a picking up dog or for rough shooting
    Of course there is the stalking side
    But as you hav concentrated on controll and dummies from the off as a first dog
    I feel the bird shooting will be a bigger influence
    Yes, my primary concern will be to get her usable on a shoot day both as a walked up and as a picking up dog. I do hope to try and give her enough control to have as a deer dog with hopefully some tracking ability but we shall see.

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    I'll be honest
    You can train your dog for deer whilst still putting in the traing for bird work
    As for deer work your discipline will be the same
    Sit , stay , heel , steadiness to game and rabbits, shooting over them
    Only thing difference maybe is you will take your dog out stalking into live situ's atleast 6 months before you would for game
    But if you can do a season on deer first and perfect that
    The transition to game should be quick and simple as your dog will be of a mature nature already and most of the same basic training already in place

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    Don't profess to be an expert but, if you want to use your GSP on deer do the deer work first, they will then pick up
    the game side easily.


    As stone says be careful of doing too much to soon its a GSP not a lab slow to mature 18 months before you get much sense out of them.

    I don't do anything other than the basics walking to heel sitting etc until at least a year old.

    Pointing is their strong point, some are better retrievers than others, will work well enough on walked up days

    big driven days are not really their thing but they do adapt well with experience.

    Not the easiest breed to train for a first timer.

    Make haste slowly you will get there, good luck.

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    Thanks for the advice, I was following the Rory Major line of trying to enforce a strong retrieving instinct first before moving onto anything else.

    walking to heel is a bit of a challenge I must admit.

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    Hi,

    I own GSPs and have worked them for the past few years. I would advise not making your very nice young GSP to focused on retrieving. I used to do a lot of walked up Grouse and the difference of my dogs that were Hunters that would hold steady on point and then only Retrieve if other retrieving dogs were not to hand was that they stayed focused on Coveys that would flush in 2 and 3s but would quickly come back onto point and not look for the retrieve.

    Dalkur.
    Last edited by dalkur; 27-05-2012 at 21:35. Reason: hit wrong button.

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    looks as if you could have a decent dog . you will probably do exactly the same as every one does with ther first dog but dont worry because you will learn
    plenty . some sound advice from stone and bogtrotter. some other things you might try stop teaching her jump over wooden fences whatever her age you need to have her jumping over wire otherwise she will rely on her back legs to carry her over deadly when shes in the real word of barbed wire also make sure she does not get every retrieve stick to four casts but only give her two make her sit while you retrieve them use a game bag to keep your dummys and keep them after each retrieve this will stop her antisipating a retrieve which could stop her running in. little but often . good luck and enjoy.
    i have had a ne experiance with my 5year old lab buzz iwill start my own thread

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