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    F-Class rules???

    Having just noticed an ad in the classifieds for an f-Class stock I decided to have a look and see what is so special about them and then the confusion set in.

    Looking on the NRA page it tells us that calibres up to 8mm are allowed. Then onto F-Call UK's web site and it says 308win/7.52x51 or .223 Rem/5.56mm ..................................... Hmmmmm


    The NRA's site says this:-

    F ('Farquarson') Class evolved from Target Rifle (TR) shooting in the mid 1990s. Whereas the usual calibre for TR is 7.62mm, F Class may be fired in any calibre up to 8mm. This new variant of TR was introduced in 1997 and allows other calibres and also bipods, telescopic sights etc. This class was originally intended to allow TR shooters with eyesight or other physical problems to carry on in the sport by allowing greater freedom in optical sights, rifle rests etc. It has now, however, developed into a new discipline in its own right.
    So who is actually running this show? and who is right?

    I know a few on the SD forums shoot in F-Class so hopefully they can enlighten me.

    Edit:-

    Ahhh I see that despite it's name the F-Class web site is in FACT for F/TR hence the cartridge restrictions. Pity they are once again overloading the poor old 7.62x51 case yet agin.. After the target boys have gotten the converted No4 Ebfields banned in some countries due to their over loading the cartridges to way over the pressure limits it seems theya re doing the same here.:-

    NEW 308 BRASS FROM LAPUA

    Lapua are about to launch a new 308 cartridge case with a small primer pocket! Reason - it could be more accurate - especially at long range and, with more 'meat' in the case-head, it might stand the pressure better. Yes, some of us played with the Remington small primer cases 15 years ago but the brass just wasn't up to standard. Can't wait to get my hands on some!
    You would also think by now they would know that the 7.62x51 and .308 win are not quite the same in certain important specs . But not it seems. Instead of working with in the design and pressure limits nope we have special cases made so we can continue to abuse them............... .
    Last edited by Brithunter; 27-05-2012 at 22:28.

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    F-Class has two competitive classes.

    F/TR which is .308 and .223 only, with a bipod and rear bag allowed.

    F Open which is any caliber up to 8mm, use of front rest and rear bag allowed, in reality you need to be shooting a 7mm of some description to be competitive.

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    Kevin,
    Redmist would be an expert at answering this.
    My understanding: F-open class up to 8mm with a max rifle weight of well over 20lb
    then there is F/TR with only 223 and 308win/ 7.62x51 allowed. Max rifle weight ~ 18lb and bipod must
    be attached.

    (by the way I would need to organise some 1" mounts for that old 303)

    edi
    oops, bit slow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter View Post
    Having just noticed an ad in the classifieds for an f-Class stock I decided to have a look and see what is so special about them and then the confusion set in.

    Looking on the NRA page it tells us that calibres up to 8mm are allowed. Then onto F-Call UK's web site and it says 308win/7.52x51 or .223 Rem/5.56mm ..................................... Hmmmmm


    The NRA's site says this:-



    So who is actually running this show? and who is right?

    I know a few on the SD forums shoot in F-Class so hopefully they can enlighten me.

    Edit:-

    Ahhh I see that despite it's name the F-Class web site is in FACT for F/TR hence the cartridge restrictions. Pity they are once again overloading the poor old 7.62x51 case yet agin.. After the target boys have gotten the converted No4 Ebfields banned in some countries due to their over loading the cartridges to way over the pressure limits it seems theya re doing the same here.:-



    You would also think by now they would know that the 7.62x51 and .308 win are not quite the same in certain important specs . But not it seems. Instead of working with in the design and pressure limits nope we have special cases made so we can continue to abuse them............... .
    I think it's safe to say the guys know what ther're doing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vipa View Post
    I think it's safe to say the guys know what ther're doing!
    Really Hmmmm let's see we take a high pressure cartridge and keep adding more powder so the the pressure is so over the top it expands primer pockets just so they can keep bullets super sonic at extended ranges. Sure I believe you .

    It's one thing to increase pressures in suitable modern rifles with old low pressure cartridges like 30-30, 45-70 and even 303 British but another entirely when already high pressure cartridges are the case. Tis only a matter of time before mishaps happen and then how long before the powers that be ban hand loading altogether as being unsafe?

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    No handloading= no F- class. And in the wider context, CCI doesn't seem to be doing such a great job with factory loading the .17 HMR.

    Keep in mind that most guys have 30" tubes on their F/TR rifles, and long throated chambers. Makes keeping that pill on the right side of the sound barrier a bit easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windknot View Post
    No handloading= no F- class. And in the wider context, CCI doesn't seem to be doing such a great job with factory loading the .17 HMR.

    Keep in mind that most guys have 30" tubes on their F/TR rifles, and long throated chambers. Makes keeping that pill on the right side of the sound barrier a bit easier.
    Ahhh what happened to having the bullet close to the lands for good grouping?

    Sorry could not resist that one as I am not a follower of that particular idea having found most of my own rifles shoot best with quite a bit of bullet jump.

    An interesting point is the barrel length as there are those who tell us that the powder is all burnt in the first few inches of bore so in fact over a certain length, which they cannot seem to agree upon , the bullet stops accelerating and actually begins to slow due to friction. Of course it's well documented that cartridges like the 25-06 and 270 win do better with barrels of 24"+. The 7.62x51 or .308 Win case with it's shorter column of powder should in theory at least require less barrel length.

    Now I am nor sure how much elevation the Tasco #707 scope has but it is a target/varmint scope and I would love to try it on the P-H 1200TX which has the forward mount on the barrel for such a scope. Perhaps one day it will be possible to try it. We can but hope:-



    This fitted to this should prove interesting.









    I was told it likes the Sierra 155 Grn Palma Bullet. Barrel is 26" on this one or so the catalogue says. Would have to check the twist as P-H offered two I understand. This 1200TX is a single shot version. I wonder how t would do with the 168 Grn match bullet. One day perhaps we can find out.

    As for CCI and the .17 rimfires .................................................. ......... well all I can say is that I did briefly consider one many years back but after sitting down and thinking of what I would use it for could not come up with a valid good reason to have one. I could down load the .222 Rem cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter View Post
    Really Hmmmm let's see we take a high pressure cartridge and keep adding more powder so the the pressure is so over the top it expands primer pockets just so they can keep bullets super sonic at extended ranges. Sure I believe you .

    It's one thing to increase pressures in suitable modern rifles with old low pressure cartridges like 30-30, 45-70 and even 303 British but another entirely when already high pressure cartridges are the case. Tis only a matter of time before mishaps happen and then how long before the powers that be ban hand loading altogether as being unsafe?
    Have you actually seen open class f-class rifles? The barrels and breeches are quite often like howitzers. The yanks have been pushing the load limits for years and years with no string of maiming or injury!

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    Brithunter,
    The new Lapua brass was developed because of requests from the US Palma team, hence the name "Palma brass"
    It is believed that the smaller primer pocket equipped cases will help decrease extreme spreads a killer of long range accuracy.
    The case was not designed to give handloader a stronger case so that they can up the pressures, under Palma rules there are no restrictions on bullet weight but the favourite seems to be the 155grn range, which will easily stay supersonuc at 1000yds loaded at normal 308 pressures.
    TR in this country uses issued ammo hence no handloading so Match rifle is traditionally where the handloaders try to stretch the limits of ther 308 in order to reach out to 1200yds
    In FTR there is no need to push the limits of the 308 like the match rifle shooters do, so i think you are worrying about nothing.

    Ian.

    PS. Great Rifle and Lovely scope by the way.
    Last edited by Whitebeard; 28-05-2012 at 15:49.

  10. #10
    Kevin, Your rifle is way too much sniper/military/cammo/short barrel fad

    This is what a F-Class looks like
    edi



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