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Thread: Semi-Custom or Production Rifle?

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    Question Semi-Custom or Production Rifle?

    Do I go for a semi-custom rifle (based on a Sako 75 III), or buy an upper end of the market production rifle?

    Discuss

    Simon

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    Semi custom in theory should be better but am not convinced even though I've just bought one myself,ive always been able to find the magic load for my off the shelf rifles that are awesome accurate,semi customs do look much sexier though,atb swarovski

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    Totally a personal thing.
    Upper end factory are rifles such as Blaser, mauser,sauer etc all will cost around the 2k Mark
    Similar to a semi custom build.
    If it's accuracy you are after then it should be attainable through load development.
    I have a Blaser and a friend and I developed a load for it.
    At the range I can regularly one hole group a 100 yards

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    What about shot to shot consistency, Accuaracy, build specificatin, quality of components etc etc!

    Quote Originally Posted by swarovski View Post
    Semi custom in theory should be better but am not convinced even though I've just bought one myself,ive always been able to find the magic load for my off the shelf rifles that are awesome accurate,semi customs do look much sexier though,atb swarovski

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    i would get a sako action prefer a stainless one. have the barrel profile you want on it depending on he style of your shooting. mcmillan stock. bedding job,
    then get a load worked up for it

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    Simon ........................... be honest how long are you going to keep the rifle?

    If your going to change as you seem to be doing then off the shelf . As semi custom you will likely lose a packet on it on re-sale.

    Sorry about that just my thought on the subject.

    Now if you intend to keep and use it for a long time then to me it makes sense to have it exactly, or as near as you can get, to what your heart desires.

    If I can ever get the mess straightened out and enough funds to do the stock on the Model 1903 Schoenauer that will become a bespoke stalking rifle stocked to suit ME! . There is not enough of the original rifle left to be a restoration so might as well make it a bespoke build and get a nice figures bit of walnut to compliment the new barrel etc. I will never get the money poured into it over the years back. I will be shocked/stunned even if I did.

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    I bought an old Parker Hale .308 a while ago with the most beautiful wood. Unfortunately the barrel was scrap and so inaccurate it was not usable on live quarry. But because it was a really good action (Santa Barbera Mauser 93) it has been re-incarnated by a friend as a 6.5x55 and is dealing with deer again. And having the very pretty wood it is a pleasure for its owner to look at every time he opens the cabinet.

    A gunsmith told me a while back, "If you buy a good action it will more than last your own lifetime". He shoots many antiques in competitions, wins a few too. Given that Blaser have changed the radial collets from their 93 and "improved" the design in the R8, will they still be being used in 40 to 50 years time? A normal turnbolt is easy to repair and keep working over the years, will the Blasers be so easy to keep going, I wonder?

    It is an interesting quandary.

    I have a friend, a retired stalker, who uses a Steyr-Mannlicher SSG-P1 in .308 which is as accurate a rifle as you could ever wish to use, but it is heavy and long. By the careful application of a little diligence it is surely possible to commission a craftsman to make you a wonderfully handy and light but still supremely accurate rifle for the same or a little less than a Blaser. Whichever of the Blaser actions you choose, will they still be as safe as a turnbolt, with all the little spring loaded collets wearing out over the years? Or would you rather use a two/three/four(etc.) lugged bolt?

    I also have a friend whose Sako 75 would not group worth a damn, he had it re-crowned and now it shoots like a dream. But if you take the price of a top end Sako, then put on the price of re-crowning, you are up there with a price that would give you a nice semi-custom rifle that from what I have seen of them would out-shoot just about any of the top end big names, time after time.

    Unless of course you want to buy a big heavy barrelled specialist rifle. Which is not for me.

    I want a nice handy and hopefully very accurate rifle which I can use for deer, but occasionally take it to the range to shoot in the odd sporting competition or do the WMS Steel Challenge and it shoot nice touching five shot groups.

    I am in a quandary.

    Simon

    PS: Kevin, I have found the calibre I prefer, the one I wanted before the firearms department made it untenable, and now just want a nice unobtrusive and accurate rifle for deer. And now being a rifle club member I am sure something black powdered may have to come home with me at some time. But I cannot see past having an Anschutz .22LR, a 6.5x55 for foxing and deer and the .308 for deer, boar and a bit of target shooting.

    I have done the discovering bit, painfully on the pocket, but am now better informed (if none the wiser) and just want something accurate and easy on the eye. I am hoping that if I make the right decision it will be a keeper.

    S.
    Last edited by flytie; 10-06-2012 at 12:02.

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    Simon, I have both, with variations. A semi custom 260 on a Sako, a tweaked factory Sako which is the most accurate rifle you could ask for, and a Blaser with a couple of barrels. I cannot make my mind up which is best. One day I think I will go Sako all in, the next Blaser.

    In reality either will shoot better under field conditios than any of us, resale will probably be better on the factory rifle.
    Brian.

    Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you......

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay 22 View Post
    i would get a sako action prefer a stainless one. have the barrel profile you want on it depending on he style of your shooting. mcmillan stock. bedding job,
    then get a load worked up for it
    What, like this? Well, all bar the stainless action.


    I've since tightened up the grouping and lifted velocity but you get the idea.
    .260 rem btw

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    In reality I never even thought about the collets in the Blaser and their expected service life not even I shot them and briefly considered going for one. Of course this was before they became the must have in some circles. Thinking back this must have been about 20-25 years ago now.

    As history shows I went down the traditional route something I do not regret.

    I have sold a few rifles but only through need, the need for the slot to be opened up, the need for cash after an accident and to help replace the car, only once did I actually sell because I did not like it much and funnily enough that was a No4T Enfield.

    Now I could not tell you what a Sako 75 or 85 costs, I just don't look at modern stuff much as it's not really appealing to me. Just too much injection moulded plastic and cheap short cuts like bead blasting instead of proepr finishing for my liking.

    Now I recall the P-H you brought however it was not a Mauser 93. This is a Mauser 93:-



    The Mauser 93 is a cock on closing action and the bottom of the bolt face is square as this predates their discovery that a round bolt face picks up the cartridges from the Mauser staggered magazine just fine. The 93 also has no 3rd safety lug.

    If I remember correctly you had a P-H M81 classic. Now perhaps you should have got in touch with Pete Sarony of Armalon and had him put a new barrel on it.

    However I am sure you will work out what your after and get there. Hopefully in the near future. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

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