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Thread: HS, Inspector Montalbano & the God particle.

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    HS, Inspector Montalbano & the God particle.

    Those of you, old and decrepit like me, who prefer to sit on highseats rather than the “0400 runners” as I call my younger shoot partners can do worse than buying the books from Andrea Camilleri (second hand, 0.01p +postage from Amazon) about Inspector Montalbano for a highseat read. The best I have read for years. I have not yet been able to predict the outcome of any ofthese books; there are 12 in the series.
    And then there are those of you who do not fully understand the ins and outs of Higgs’ Boson, the God particle. I am one of them.Apparently the whole universe depends on it since its creation although we only knew about its possible existence for the last 50 years. It lives in some kind of shadowy parallel universe.
    And then there is the world of pedigrees for Hanoverian Scenthounds. A combination of the God particle and Montalbano and just as difficult to comprehend.
    There is the FCI the Federation Cynegetique Internationale,86 members countries; the International Federation of Kennel Clubs that each issue mutually recognised pedigrees. The UK KC is a member.
    There is the JGHV, the German shooting dog association that regulates hunting dogs in Germany.
    There is the VH, the Verein Hirschmann, that regulates the breeding and issuing of pedigrees for Hanoverians accepted by the JGHV and the international Federation, the ISHV.

    And then there is another universe.

    There is the FCI, the Federacion Canine International. Their website seems to have disappeared but mainly Spanish speaking and American member clubs I recall. The UK Kennel Club is not a member. The other, much older, (cynegitique) FCI has warnings on its website that I should not beconfused with this FCI. “The FCI informsall its members and contract partners that it holds no official relationswith the Federación Canina Internacional and its members and that itdoes not recognise this Federación”. Now why do you think the Federacion Caninehas exactly the same initials, FCI?
    There is the Deutscher Rassehunde Verband, not recognised on its website by the JGHV. Etc, Etc, Etc
    Thus you might buy a dog with FCI (Federation Canin) papers issued by the DRV and think you have a hound that can participate, if you feel so inclined and are invited, in international ISHV trials and bred with dogs from the VH (if you have passed the tests). But because the Federation Canine is not recognised by them you cannot. You can never breed with a dog from theFC(ynegitique)I and get its papers.
    That is certain, the other FC(ynegitique)I, the JGHV and theVH will not recognise your papers so you are in the doghouse! (If you do not mind owning a Hanoverian without any papers the cheaper way to get one is described in my post “Hanoverians or Bavarians” of April 1).
    It is up to you to choose buy you can guess from what Iwrite which FCI I would choose!
    If after all this you say “I’ll get myself a Labrador, this is too much for me”; honestly I cannot blame you.
    But if you persevere to the end which you should to show yourself worthy of being the owner of one of these absolutely astonishingly trained and bred hounds with an ISHV and HV accepted pedigree you will not regret it. Ask the people who got one.
    Last edited by barongcw; 13-07-2012 at 18:39.

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    Now there is why,people need to research things before jumping in with both feet,this is why people need to know about pedigrees being sourced through the continent.
    A parallel universe,one heavenly and the other not.
    Much like BGS(they may work)in this country and within the ISHV!
    I also have been patient and waited for a hound that is acceptable,they are out there.Not in the cosmos.

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    Fair dues to you boys, you love these dogs!

    I for one, take my hat off to you for being so passionate about them and obviously spend a lot of time and effort (and, i suspect, money) striving for perfection in your chosen sport!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabz View Post
    Fair dues to you boys, you love these dogs!

    I for one, take my hat off to you for being so passionate about them and obviously spend a lot of time and effort (and, i suspect, money) striving for perfection in your chosen sport!
    Thank you for these kind words. It might surprise you but they are a lot cheaper than the labradors I used to buy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabz View Post
    Fair dues to you boys, you love these dogs!

    I for one, take my hat off to you for being so passionate about them and obviously spend a lot of time and effort (and, i suspect, money) striving for perfection in your chosen sport!
    Shabz,I am up a hill at the minute doing that job you spoke of on the other thread.
    I am not rich but I am passionate about doing things to the best of ones ability,same with dogs.
    These hounds are worth the wait!
    They have been selectively bred for 200 years for a reason,they are as you said earlier the elite at finding deer,it's only the human side that lets them down,ie me!

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    Shabaz . Now here is the fact's. An official German BGS costs 600 euros. that is dog or bitch . The really hard part is being eligible and then accepted as a member whereupon you then agree to abide by the rules. Yes it is not what most want to do , when they buy a dog, yet in financial terms with the hundreds of years of experience to help and support you. Also proof of breeding from the best proven working blood stock it seems good value to me compared to the prices paid here for lets just say not so good stock and no proof of ability. From some of the comments on here which seem to say that or insinuate that only Germans or continentals miss 0r wound well who do you think looks foolish paying a lot more than 600 euros for a dog whose parents only claim to fame is that some where in the pedigree one of them maybe won a canine beauty contest. Oh and that's at best some don't even have that distinction . Oh and lets not talk about the reasons one should hip score before breeding which should go without saying especially with gun dog breeds. REGARDS WIDU.




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    Quote Originally Posted by widu View Post
    Shabaz . Now here is the fact's. An official German BGS costs 600 euros. that is dog or bitch . The really hard part is being eligible and then accepted as a member whereupon you then agree to abide by the rules. Yes it is not what most want to do , when they buy a dog, yet in financial terms with the hundreds of years of experience to help and support you. Also proof of breeding from the best proven working blood stock it seems good value to me compared to the prices paid here for lets just say not so good stock and no proof of ability. From some of the comments on here which seem to say that or insinuate that only Germans or continentals miss 0r wound well who do you think looks foolish paying a lot more than 600 euros for a dog whose parents only claim to fame is that some where in the pedigree one of them maybe won a canine beauty contest. Oh and that's at best some don't even have that distinction . Oh and lets not talk about the reasons one should hip score before breeding which should go without saying especially with gun dog breeds. REGARDS WIDU.




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    That is good value! And testament to where the breeders loyalties lie. I can't see them making any profit out of those prices at all, I'd say a fairly substantial loss if time were included.

    I have no experience of how things are done on the continent so have to base my opinions on British breeders of dogs. Obviously I'm guilty of tarring the Germans with the same brush!
    I read recently about a Labrador that had sired 275 litters of pups in this country. At say £500 a go, thats £137500!! They didn't do that for the betterment of the breed! It annoys me when breeders in this country charge up to £7-800 for pups (which have no doubt impeccable credentials) and then jump down my throat when I breed (a maximum of one litter) from my dog whose ability far outstrips that of some ftch dogs. My dog is not proven in the sense that she hasn't won a field trial, but it does not mean she is not proven! My father used to trial Labradors and springers when I was young. It put my off trials for life!

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    I also like the idea that you need to prove your worth to be allowed to buy one of these dogs. I must admit that before I bought my GWP, I did barely any research and did not know nearly enough about the breed. It was only when I realised what talent she had that I decided to step up and find her the work that she deserves. The only reason I've become interested in deer stalking is so that I can work her year round!

    I suppose that I would (quite rightly) not be allowed to buy one of these dedicated tracking dogs for not having the work for it. I can live with that. I couldn't in all good conscience own one anyway. I'll train my pointer to the best of my ability and if I chase one into the next county, I'll give one of you boys a ring!


    With regards to wounding rates on the continent, (like I said, I'm an absolute novice to deer stalking, so have come to my conclusions through logic rather than experience) is it not logical that more animals, particularly boar, will need tracked for longer distances given that they are driven to guns? Not that I would condemn such practice, rather I would quite like to have a go! But surely they can't all hit heart/lung shots every time.

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    The God Particle will change the world forever! We're talking light speed travel and 'beam me up scotty' type stuff!
    Last edited by Shabz; 13-07-2012 at 22:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shabz View Post


    With regards to wounding rates on the continent, (like I said, I'm an absolute novice to deer stalking, so have come to my conclusions through logic rather than experience) is it not logical that more animals, particularly boar, will need tracked for longer distances given that they are driven to guns? Not that I would condemn such practice, rather I would quite like to have a go! But surely they can't all hit heart/lung shots every time.
    Recent German research shows that wild boar do not travel much further in distance when wounded on a driven shoot than when wounded from a moonlit highseat.

    But of course with driven shoots more boar are shot so there is more to do for the trackers.

    The majority of searches in Germany are now on wildboar.

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    Shabaz . You say they can't make any money out of breeding and selling pups at that price. You are missing the point , they do not breed to make money period! .They only breed their dogs to replace those that are old retired or Killed in work. The whole reason to breed is only for the work these dogs do to ensure it is only for the good of the breed as a whole. Also you are not allowed to breed unless your dog has passed the breed tests to the required standard , then you ask the breed master and he will say with which dog/ Bitch you can go to. Might be in France or northern Italy /Germany. Then thats where you go, all breeding dogs are only allowed to produce a maximum of 20 pups no line breeding. All pups have to be checked for defects blood tests/ conformation if they don't fit the bill cannot be bred from.
    As for the wounding rate's because boar are a completely different ball game when it comes to control and what happens terminally when one is shot believe me , they are not like deer,hence the need for specialist breeds to find and control the final situation so as they can be dispatched is paramount to a successful conclusion . As for the reasons why driven hunts , well I ain't got time to explain the in's and out's of driven hunting . What I can say is that the KBGS/HS /VH and other official breed clubs in Germany Breed for the Dog/ Hound . And the Work they do not for personal gain shame we could not try to do the same here . Sorry to repeat myself but it's seems you don't grasp the reasons for controls on the breeding of dogs in the end it's always the dog that suffers one way or another .




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