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WAYNE DAVIES

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Hi All

Sorry for the title but couldnt help myself.

Anyone who knows me know's I love my dogs, we have had lab's,terriers,cockers, lots of springers and now a Gsp.

I train all my dogs myself and get great pleasure from it, I've made lots of cockups and still do and none of dogs have ever been perfect.

I used to really enjoy coming on here and reading the tracking dog threads but now I cant be arsed to read them its depressing to see thae same few (rightly ot wrongly) ranting on.

Can't we just get back to enjoying our dogs what ever they might be????????

Wayne
 
And there was me thinking you had started a thread about having to pull grassy remains from max's ring piece on your sunday afternoon strolls:lol:

Regards, Jez.
 
And there was me thinking you had started a thread about having to pull grassy remains from max's ring piece on your sunday afternoon strolls:lol:

Regards, Jez.




:lol::lol::lol: UUUMMMM I'm goin g for six mile walk across the hills tommorow so I expect he is saving that pleasure for me in the most crowded place he can find:-|
 
Got to agree its a bit like them buggers that go on about there Blaser Rifles . I cant imagine what it would be like if you have a Blaser and a Sent hound. :gheyfight:
 
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Hi All

Sorry for the title but couldnt help myself.

Anyone who knows me know's I love my dogs, we have had lab's,terriers,cockers, lots of springers and now a Gsp.

good old wayne tells it how it is fair play


I train all my dogs myself and get great pleasure from it, I've made lots of cockups and still do and none of dogs have ever been perfect.

I used to really enjoy coming on here and reading the tracking dog threads but now I cant be arsed to read them its depressing to see thae same few (rightly ot wrongly) ranting on.

Can't we just get back to enjoying our dogs what ever they might be????????

Wayne

good old wayne tells it how it is fair play mate
but you on a six mile walk sounds to me like BULL SHITE :rofl: regards pete
 
Personally, I quite enjoy the debate/arguments. I've learned quite a lot recently reading them. Im not interested in owning or working scenthounds in the slightest but find the subject interesting and could talk to a stranger about them for a good couple of hours now! I'd love to watch a good one work at some point, just out of interest. They sound like amazing dogs. Saying that I also love to watch good labs, springers and HPRs work* and I'd be particularly interested in watching a chihuahua track a deer!


*by work, I mean the work that the breed is intended for.
 
Well. I thought I'd put all the various points to a relevant 'person'. After listening intently and considering matters fully over a very crunchy carrot, Scooby gave his view -

SPeak to the Paw.jpg

Now he is a polite dog, so avoid any misunderstanding, his comment was - ' talk to the paw'
 
I think there needs to be some deep considering done here before aspersions are cast.

We are fortunate to have on this site some people who are working hard to bring European standards to bear on the breeding and training of scent hounds. Meetings have been held between some of the European Scent Hound organisations and some of our site members. This is to try and stop the unwary from paying good money, often wildly inflated prices, for sub-standard and non pedigree dogs that would in no way meet the breed standards in their own countries.

Yes you can train a stray to retrieve, or even a good terrier, but when you are asked to pay a lot of money for supposedly accredited dogs, which turn out to be spurious papers, probably even fraudulent, be grateful for the likes of Wolverine who takes this every bit as seriously as those do who post warnings on posts giving bad advice on reloading.

Caveat Emptor.

Simon
 
Simon,

I don't think anyone denies the passion etc of people but what is being questioned, I think, is the attitude being displayed in some of the posts. All the points that have been made on the various posts could have been made in a manner that would not cause so much friction. It has not been a case of "have you tried this way" or "this is how I got my dog", it has been this is the way you must do it and you can only have dogs from this source, or that breeder organisation is no good. I can think of no simpler way of putting peoples backs up.

John
 
Hi All

Sorry for the title but couldnt help myself.

Anyone who knows me know's I love my dogs, we have had lab's,terriers,cockers, lots of springers and now a Gsp.

I train all my dogs myself and get great pleasure from it, I've made lots of cockups and still do and none of dogs have ever been perfect.

I used to really enjoy coming on here and reading the tracking dog threads but now I cant be arsed to read them its depressing to see thae same few (rightly ot wrongly) ranting on.

Can't we just get back to enjoying our dogs what ever they might be????????

Wayne
Wayne, Breeze is working every day, has never lost a deer.
I amazed a client (loki) the other night when I told him she was un-trained and didnt even know what sit meant.
We stopped walking breeze was at heel (because thats where she wanted to be) and I told her to sit.....................she looked at me like I ws bonkers.
Shes got papers, yes. she's got loads of instinct, yes. But never been trained in a conventional manner, does that make her worthless,,,I don't know ask any of my clients.
Paperwork, and been part of some elusive german club or whatever, is all very nice but means jack ss**** to me or her.
regards john.
ps hows her brother max?
 
Bravo Flytie. At least you can see that the questions asked have not been answered very well. Also those that have been warning the SD members about these dangers are not trying to sell anyone a dog of any sort . Maybe that at least say's something . Regards Widu .




TO STRIVE TO SEEK TO FIND AND NEVER TO YIELD .
 
Bravo Flytie. At least you can see that the questions asked have not been answered very well. Also those that have been warning the SD members about these dangers are not trying to sell anyone a dog of any sort . Maybe that at least say's something . Regards Widu .
TO STRIVE TO SEEK TO FIND AND NEVER TO YIELD .

Widu, I am a bear of very little brain, and I read a lot more than I post. I too have a dog, not a specialist deer dog but a labrador, who with a little percivearance has been taught to follow and find deer as well as game and wildfowl. I would not be without her.

But there is a problem with some supposedly accredited and registered imported scent hounds. This has been raised in various sporting magazines and forums. People are being gulled into paying huge sums of money for their "grey import" style of scent hounds. Make no bones about it, there are puppy farmers out there who just can't wait to part you from your hard earned cash.

I for one am glad that this issue has been raised and made public.

As to the training of deer dogs, there are huge rows taking place in Germany as this is written, with a study done on tracking by a university that gives the lie to the accepted practise of training deer dogs.

Does this affect me? No!

Am I interested, yes!

Will it affect the type of dog I buy next? No!

Would I like to see the questions posed on this thread answered? Yes!

Do i know the breed regulations and organisations in Germany? No!

Am I glad that some people on this site do? Yes!

There is a level to training these scent hounds which will never affect me. I do not shoot anywhere near enough deer for it to ever become an issue with me. But I am interested in the methods used, and the arguments for and against.

If someone on this site was to promulgate unsafe methods of reloading, there would be howls of anguish from the cognecenti. If "Grey Import" cars were to be sold as being legally imported there would be action taken against the posters. But when polite questions are raised on threads and remain unanswered I find it hard to understand the vitriol being heaped upon the questioner's heads?

And if people are unaware of the hugely strict and arcane breed standards, training methods and organisations on the continent perhaps they ought to be grateful for those that have taken the time to find out so that the dog buying public can be protected and informed.

I have yet to read anything in these threads that is offensive, but as I say, I am a bear of very little brain.

Simon
 
Hi All

Sorry for the title but couldnt help myself.

Anyone who knows me know's I love my dogs, we have had lab's,terriers,cockers, lots of springers and now a Gsp.

I train all my dogs myself and get great pleasure from it, I've made lots of cockups and still do and none of dogs have ever been perfect.

I used to really enjoy coming on here and reading the tracking dog threads but now I cant be arsed to read them its depressing to see thae same few (rightly ot wrongly) ranting on.

Can't we just get back to enjoying our dogs what ever they might be????????

Wayne

Here here Wayne,

What is now happening is what I DO NOT WANT happening to this site. Good people such as Wayne who has taken out countless people off this site for FREE not wanting to log onto the site.

I have been away working on one of the estates I manage this weekend, only to come home and log on to find the continuing saga on the dog thread.

JAYB is a bit more patient than me ;) probably his age! however I will add that this debate is turning into a bun fight and if it goes much further there will be casualties.

And for those that dont like it TOUGH.
 
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