Just an update. Thankyou to all those on the forum especially Duncan Wilson who have endured my questions and taken the time to point me in the right direction. I spent an evening with the jelen deer team and experienced a very enjoyable stalk around the estates in Stockbridge Hampshire. Mike and Dave (my guide) made me very welcome and I cannot express just how much I have learnt, I can recommend to anyone that time spent with the Jelen team is not only a great evening but also a great learning opportunity. I have no links with the Jelen team other than as a client but great service deserves a mention. Give Mike a call and he will listen to your requirements and for me as a newcomer my concerns. I would certainly recommend Dave as a guide and once again thankyou. Regards steve.