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    Bisley Gun Club to Usurp 2012 Olympic Facilities

    I hope that all who are in agreement will contact the shooting press - with letters - and their MPs over this matter. Here is what I've written to the Shooting Times. Did you know that as an non-member of the NRa you can't even turn up and pay a one off "green fee" to even use the "Zero Range" (or any other) Range?

    Dear Editor,

    Letters again "from Surrey" in support of the 2012 Olympic Shooting Facilities going to Bisley when really all should be against that proposal. Does the "Bisley Gun Club" aka the NRA not already have enough facilities already?

    The NRA Website makes very clear that only NRA Full Members can use Bisley Ranges. So there is access only to the few and not the many that constitute the United Kingdom's licensed shooters.

    It cannot be right that a body that is exclusive and that has ample facilities and in both 1988 and 1996 dismally failed to defend our shooting heritage should receive this gift to be able after 2012 to usurp for itself alone facilities paid for by all.

    Let the facilities be at Woolwich or elsewhere so that they afterwards may go to the Midlands, to the North, to the West or to Scotland. Perhaps to Northern Ireland where pistol shooting is still lawful. But please not to be squandered on the "Bisley Gun Club".

    Or at least the NRA must give now and for all time an unequivocal guarantee that if at Surrey these facilities will forever be open to all without requirement for any kind NRA Membership or Affiliation.

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    Richard

    Why spend public money one facilities that we already have at Bisley. Should that money not be spent in refurbishing whats there at a greatly reduced cost. There by achieving the lasting legacy as promised

    As for the pistol shooting facilities, sure build them at Woolwich as they will only be temporary structures anyway. They could then be recycled in any way deemed suitable once the fiasco that will be the 2012 Olympics is at an end.

    Turning them into temporary housing for the homeless would be an easy way of showiing that the construction money has not been wasted.

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    As far as I am aware there is no "security of tenure" at Bisley. In that the danger area encroaches onto land owned by the MoD.

    Now...military requirements do change...we've all seen military ranges demolished (here in Leicestershire for example Kibworth) and MoD establishments elsewhere close down forever (in the East HMS Ganges - the Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock - Norton Barracks in Worcestershire - Glencorse Barracks in Scotland).

    All the above absolutely considered "unthinkable" in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

    So there is nothing ever "set in stone" and as any facility dependent on a third party for its danger area space is ultimately at risk or losing that facility the ranges at Bisley are the last place I would want to establish a legacy!

    We've seen the Budget. Deep cuts and more and more creative ways of bringing money into the Exchequer needed for the next five, ten, twenty years! Who knows what is the next piece of real estate that is now a military training area to be sold off for building?

    Look what happened to the original NRA Ranges at Wimbledon? And, last but not least, if you don't know have a "Military Range Competence Certificate" (or whatever it is called) from January 2009 you can't use Bisley Ranges anyway.

    Paid for by all and after 2012 only the few to benefit. That is wrong. And what facilities still exist today at Bisley from the 1908 Olympics? As an example look at the wanton sacrifice of "Shorts Range" just a few years ago.

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    Richard

    Perhaps part of the passing on of the lasting legacy would necessitate the bequeathing of that MOD land to the Bisely Gun Club for the benefit of the nation.

    It is only a legal process after all and where there is a will there is away. Especially if its a political will.

    That would effectively kill 2 birds with 1 stone . By doing away with the need for the Military Range Competence Certificate. As Bisley would then no longer be a military range.

    Just a thought, I'm not sure how practical it would turn out to be but it does resolve many of the issues, and might just might ensure that the NRA has to move into the 21st century.

    It could also help make our NRA as politically powerfull as the American version. Now that really would be a legacy worth writing a letter in support of.

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    Given the Governments stance over Pistols, I have to wonder why anybody in the shooting community supports the Olymics anyway.

    It would be very embarrassing for the Government if all shooters withdrew their suport, but it will never happen.

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    Pete

    Pistol shooting was always the minority shooting hobby and was always in line to become the sacrificial lamb should the focus of the anti gun lobby be given sufficient opportunity to gain ground.

    What embarrassment to this Government do you envisage if UK shooters with drew their support.

    But a more leading question must be. With drew their support of what?

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    With all due respect enfieldspares, there's nothing stopping you using the Bisley ranges except your own obvious chip on the shoulder.
    Membership of Bisley is open to all, you just have to apply, pass a very simple test, pay your annual subscription and you are in. You don't even need to be an FAC holder to use the ranges.
    I'm a member of the NRA and a probationary member of the BSRC and am thoroughly enjoying both, my membership number is five digits long, it's sequential, so that gives you an idea of how many people number amongst the "few".
    Bisley isn't an exclusively commercial operation, it's a club which leases land from the MOD/Government, therefore they have even more elf'n'safey hoops to jump through, so, sadly they can't just allow all and sundry to roll up and blast away. They probably wouldn't get insurance cover for that anyway.
    My membership dues for both clubs, plus the cost of the basic introductory course to gain full membership of the NRA Club would only pay for 3 or 4 sessions on any commercial range that I know of. A 1hr session on the zeroing range at Bisley is for peanuts and I never need to book.
    If the 2012 Shooting events are held at Woolwich then there will definitely be no legacy for shooters in the UK, however if they are held at Bisley AND the terms of the lease change a bit, then there should be a lasting legacy.
    However, you go right ahead and moan, it's your right after all.
    The government, and the strong anti-shooting element within it, loves divide and conquer, you go ahead and support them if you really think that's the right thing to do. They love splitters like you!
    However, I have written to my MP and Lord Corbett asking them to support holding the Olympic shooting events at Bisley, and whilst I don't expect Lord Coe and his ilk to pay much attention, I can but hope.

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    With all due respect enfieldspares, there's nothing stopping you using the Bisley ranges except your own obvious chip on the shoulder.

    Thank you for your kind words.

    Apart from NRA membership I think you'll find! And that's the whole point of it isn't it! Because as far as 2012 is concerned I'm paying for these facilities that I won't be ever able to use (unless an NRA Full Member) if they are built at Bisley.

    Those of us that have been shooting a little while - since 1974 over thirty years - will have seen and resent the failure of the NRA over three decades to resist further and further restrictions on our sport. So few of us have any wish to gift anything to a body that has been consistent in only one thing. Its abject failure to protect any form shooting save that thought proper by the likes of Arthur Riall.

    The "Bisley Gun Club" can do what it wants with its own ranges. But the 2012 Legacy? That's ours! I and the rest of the country have paid for that.

    But the NRA has the arrogance to think that it should be its by right having done nothing to deserve it. Yet it appears to expect the public in general to accept that they must pay for facilities that will then be reserved exclusively for its own private and selfish benefit?

    And you think objecting to that is having a chip on my shoulder?

    It would be like saying that only those who are full members of the National Trust could ever visit our national parks.

    The NRA is lobbying to get these facilities yet can't even maintain and look after that which it already owns. Have you seen the state of the roadway on Siberia Ranges? Or do you know what they did to Shorts Range?

    As to numbers? Of those who hold FACs in the UK as against those who are Full Members of the NRA? I think you should enquire and enlighten yourself as to just exactly how many Full Members the NRA does have against how many tens of thousands of licensed rifle owners?

    To repeat. A public shooting facility paid for by public money in furtherance of the Olympic Charter of participation by all is not the NRA's to be usurped after 2012 for its private use through propaganda letters in the shooting press authored by NRA Members.

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    My view is that Woolwich is not the right location, but then neither is Bisley. I would love to see a dedicated shooting centre establish, covering all major disciplines but without political affiliations. I would like to a truly National Shooting Centre - something that is open to the shooting public, that is keen to take on newbies and give them a taste of what we enjoy. Shooting is seen a elitest, rightly or wrongly, and I would love to see a legacy left, that starts to break down those doors and make it accessible to more people.

    Public money is public money - it should leave a legacy for the public to use. Not go to fund a site which will be demolished or to a site that is run by a politically motivated body with its own agenda.

    I think that the majority of the public who know nothing about our sport link the NRA in the UK to the NRA in the states, and lets be honest, our american cousins don't exactly lend themselves to good publicity. I cringe at the thought of the NRA and that I may be, in any way construde, as being part of them.

    I would think that this is the reason for the lack of interest in Bisley; it could be seen as a political minefield, and with our press, it could be blown out of all proportion.

    If a commercial shooting centre were established, a lot of the political argument would never exist. And letís face it; if you want to use the Olympic swimming pool after 2012 you will pay, why not for range time?

    Tin hat on...!!

    Cheers

    Chops

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    My view is that Woolwich is not the right location, but then neither is Bisley. ....I would like to a truly National Shooting Centre - something that is open to the shooting public, that is keen to take on newbies and give them a taste of what we enjoy....Shooting is seen a elitest, rightly or wrongly, and I would love to see a legacy left, that starts to break down those doors and make it accessible to more people.....Public money is public money - it should leave a legacy for the public to use.

    I am in total agreement. But as it is London's Games then initially the facilities must be "in London". So Woolwich. But not on the NRA's "pitch"!

    For reality is that if they are "in Bisley near London" that they will stay there. This temporary facility able to be taken down and built elsewhere never will be taken down and built elsewhere.

    And likely never used again as the shooting disciplines at the Olympic Games are of little interest to and many not "allowed" on its ranges by the NRA. But if they are "in Woolwich" then there is at least a chance that a bid can be made to rebuild them at a truly National Shooting Centre. Or at least somewhere that is north of a line from the Wash to the Bristol Channel. Not Surrey!

    Ideally? Maybe to near the current military Kingsbury Ranges on Cannock Chase and The Belfry Golf Club.

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