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Thread: Asked to surrender FAC

  1. #1

    Asked to surrender FAC

    Having sold my centre fire rifles and moderators and only having an empty slot for a .22lr and mod ,I got a phone call from FLD last week asking me to hand in my FAC,having told him I will be re buying my centre fire calibres when I'm in a better position financially he said "as you have no section one fire arms in my posession at this time I can't justify my need for a FAC,so I had a think and rang the FLD back and asked about my empty slot for a .22 and mod and she said if it is not filled in the next couple of months I would have to surrender my ticket and re apply when if and when I can fill any slots I apply for,my question is ,is this the norm as I can see their point ,but don't really want to hand it in and re apply,if it is, is there anyone out there with a cheaper than cheap .22 up for grabs ?.
    Jase.

  2. #2
    He's obviously wrong. I know people who have waited from grant to a few week before renewal to buy a gun and had no problems.

    That said most RFDs will have a .22 RF in the store room for less than £100. There's a few on Guntrader for £50

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

  3. #3
    I'm with Apache - and the HO Guidance backs it up:

    10.34 Conditions setting out arbitrary time
    limits for acquiring firearms and ammunition
    should not be imposed.
    However, the chief
    officer may at the time of certificate renewal,
    enquire why an authority to acquire has not
    been exercised and consider that part of the
    renewal on the information received.

    Why don't you just put in a 'one-for-one' variation for the firearms you have disposed of? Then you can purchase and acquire at your leisure, (within reason).

    10.49 Form 101 should be used for
    applications to vary a certificate. The
    certificate holder should submit their firearm
    certificate, along with the completed form
    101, and, where appropriate, the fee, to the
    police force headquarters. A fee is payable
    only in respect of variations which increase
    the number of firearms to which the
    certificate relates: if the holder wishes to
    dispose of one firearm and replace it with
    another at the same time then no fee is
    payable (see paragraph 10.51 below for
    further information). It is not normally
    necessary to re-examine the applicant’s
    circumstances, but this may be necessary
    in individual cases. Although no time limit
    is normally placed on acquiring the firearm
    to which the variation applies
    , failure to
    do so over a reasonable period, without
    good reason, may be taken as lack of
    genuine intention.

  4. #4
    rubbish.
    I had an FAC for 10 years before I actually owned a firearm.

    get a mates rifle put on it for use if they are going to be arsey.

    make them aware that what they are effectively asking you to do is rush into a purchase or face a REVOCATION which will be on your record permenantly and WILL affect future applications when you have to answer YES to the question "have you ever had an FAC refused or revoked"

  5. #5
    To add to Brewsher's post that if they decide to revoke your FAC they must follow the set procedure to do so - notice in writing, period for appeal etc. - perhaps that's why they want you to 'hand it in' instead.

  6. #6
    or go out and buy a £30 SAK mod and lock it in your safe. Now your FAC has something listed.

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

  7. #7
    Jase how about we "share" my 22?

    it can be on both certificates,

    in case you need to borrow it?

  8. #8
    Orion's post #3 is spot on. Advise the licensing manager that you intend to acquire a firearm as soon as you are able to do so. Politely decline to surrender your fac, quote the Home Office guidance and indicate that you will lodge an appeal to the Crown Court should your certificate be revoked. If you are a BASC member then talk to the firearms team. They should be able to sort this out without problem. Good luck.

  9. #9
    spot on man!

    Quote Originally Posted by bobt View Post
    Jase how about we "share" my 22?

    it can be on both certificates,

    in case you need to borrow it?

  10. #10
    Uncle norm has the best solution

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