deerhungry
Well-Known Member
Can anyone give the mixture for Panacur with water I am wanting to worm the pheasants I have had the mixture in the past but lost it ,I will use 2.5% Panacur which is used for sheep.
Behave, you!And Emtril?
Just FYI what you are proposing is illegal. It's either Flubenvet in feed or a vet prescription.
I suppose it is a case of wether you let your birds die or treat them
birds with such worms/gapes don't really feed but they do drink
flubenvet is expensive and only works if you catch it early enough
at what point do you get a vet involved ... At what sort of cost is that
and what would you recommend if the birds are coughing but not eating??
Thousands of keepers use panacur and will continue to do so ,flub is expensive in feed and the active ingredient fembendasole is the same in both ,agree it is illegal but then so is emtril and that is still widely used .my birds look so much better for being gape free it is a orrible little worm or should I say worms being male and female .i am no expert but if panacur gets rid of the little horror then i will carry on using it .
Regards
norma
Seriously what is the cost of a driven bird presented to guns? £25? More less?
If you brought me a freshly dead bird or a sick one and it was sacrificed for a post mortem [assuming it was something simple like gapeworm] the diagnosis could be confirmed and I could sell you a product that is designed to be administered through the drinking water for not much more than £100 (less than the cost of 5 birds).
All legal and above board. More importantly you are using a product that will be effective. Sheep drench not designed to be administered through drinking water.
Is that expensive? I don't think so. Total waste of money if something else is wrong with the birds or by miss-using medicines the worms become resistant (especially likely if you under-dose).
In an ideal world that works well
but we don't really live in one
illnesses in pheasants can show and take upto 2 weeks before it developed into a problem giving you a chance to get treatment sorted
sometimes in weather like this year ,3 days and you are too late because they are damp and cold to help add to it all
a £100 is very cheap but then how many birds would that treat out of interest considering we could put 75 litres of water a day per pen and it could be all 5 pens that need treating
but TBH how long from dropping a sick or dead bird off - to a post mortem - to treatment being administered is going to take
my vets about 48 hours min depending on wether they hav a drug or drugs in shop
In the past they hav always gone down the Medicated food route
which is ok if you already hav it on hand but then quite often you need a prescription first of all
which means your birds have to be sick in the first place to warrant it and then if lucky your feed merchant may get it to you with in a week
but it also will be at a price because it will be a tonne order minimum
in the mean time you are loosing birds regardless
and if you are not a commercial shoot
£25+ plus a bird means nothing as each dead bird comes out of your own kitty and costs are never recovered ,
panacur has successfully worked for many years with out harm , can be stored and is easily accessible
It is also a cheap form of treatment which can often be the main problem on an already struggling industry due to red tape and regulations
but then it would be fine if a vet prescribed Panacur in the first place anyway
Apache, it may well be illegal but apart from that what are the cons for using panacur.
You say irresponsible use of use of wormers but what is the difference between this practice and say the keeper who can afford to feed medicated feed from the outset.
My dogs are wormed eery 3 months on the advice of my vet. Is this irresponsibe? Does this build up resistance?
a £100 is very cheap but then how many birds would that treat out of interest considering we could put 75 litres of water a day per pen and it could be all 5 pens that need treating
It is also a cheap form of treatment which can often be the main problem on an already struggling industry due to red tape and regulations but then it would be fine if a vet prescribed Panacur in the first place anyway