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    Can anyone please quote firearms guidance with regards to....

    To give context, I have some goat stalking my cousin is from another county and has a restricted ticket. They will not life the restrictions despite having a fair bit of experience and an open ticket already on his .223 and other calibres. Anyway to cut a long story short, he wanted goat adding to his certificate, so he can use his restricted conditioned deer calibre on my ground. I included a letter stating he had permission from me, the only stalker on the ground, to stalk with me. The firearms department have said my letter is meaningless the only one they would accept is one from the landowner.

    My landowner does not know my cousin but trusts my judgement on who I bring on the ground so I will not ask him for a letter as this is above and beyond. There are plenty of people who gain their tickets from bought stalks, so can anyone quote any relevant home office guidance on this? They really are playing hard ball on all things ot do with his conditions and this 'letter' request is just unjustified.

    Cheers in advance.

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    i cant quote any guidelines but i have gone through this with a variation with my firearms and even though i have permission from syndicate runner it was permission from the landowner i needed as well ,atb wayne

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    the owner is irrelevant

    The person with the sporting rights is the person who dictates permission and in this case I would say your FLO is wrong.
    However, if you decide to allow your cousin to shoot by himself on this land and the farmer is not aware or does not wish this that is a different story.

    I had a letter from a lease holder to do exactly what you ask some 20 years ago.
    The land owner wouldn't have known me from a man in the street! he certainly wouldnt be involved in any discussion as to whether my rifle was conditioned for one animal or another.

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    well this is really interesting as i have had a similar thing to do with calibre and my force wouldnt budge either and its been an on going thing for quite some time

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    permission is from the "Holder of the sporting rights" - you cannot give your cousin permission as you do not "hold" the sporting rights, you are permitted to shoot there by the holder - who in this case just happens to be the land owner - if you "owned or leased" the sporting rights, then you could pass on that permission.

    It is a question in the DSC1 if I recall correctly.

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    I am however permitted to take people on to that ground at my own discretion.....

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    The law states "land owner or his agent" - i.e. the person with the authority to sign it off.

    Very few of my permissions are signed by the actual land owner - it's at the discretion of the person managing the land. Mine are all things like "farm manager" "director of golf" etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyDoom View Post
    Very few of my permissions are signed by the actual land owner - it's at the discretion of the person managing the land. Mine are all things like "farm manager" "director of golf" etc.
    I think this may be a bit of a grey area and depends on specific details of the management contract etc. I am told that farm management contracts have become very complex - for example they have to appear to be some sort of a profit sharing initiative rather than a straight lease of land in order to claim tax exemptions.

    My local farmer is fine with me shooting land he owns, but when I asked about land that he contract farms he said he was not allowed to give me permission and I needed to ask the other landowners personally. Turns out one of the farms he manages is owned by an anti-shooter and has an enormous herd of fallow on it. Even my farmer isnt allowed to shoot them even though the are decimating the crops! So a farm management contract definitely does not confer automatic shooting rights to the holder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalker.308 View Post
    I am however permitted to take people on to that ground at my own discretion.....
    So then write your cousin an invoice for paid stalking and confirmation of another 2 or 3 bookings.... that should do it
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    I dont know what the answer here is but if you were to compose the document then you could minimise the hassle to the landowner as they would only need to sign it.

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