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Thread: Shot out barrels, but what about shot out actions? How long should they last?

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    Shot out barrels, but what about shot out actions? How long should they last?

    I have read posts where people talk about barrels being shot out after so many thousand rounds, but can anybody tell me the life expectancy of the action?

    Just on first principles of mechanical wear if non "hot-load" like a .308 barrel will last 5000 rounds how many times could the action be re-barreled? How many cycles should an action be expected to perform?

    I understand "it all depends on how well the gun is maintained" but given reasonable care and attention....

    I have a slight bias towards information relating to Sako 75/85 and Blaser actions but any info would be good.

    Alan

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    Actions should last a lifetime if maintained and cared for

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    A Riflesmith freind of mine says he has never seen a worn out Sako action he had a target rifle in 308 come in for its 4th barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sikadog View Post
    A Riflesmith freind of mine says he has never seen a worn out Sako action he had a target rifle in 308 come in for its 4th barrel.
    Well that's reassuring.

    I suppose if cycling the bolt equals a revolution, 5000 cycles equals a couple of minutes of a motor car engine at 70mph on the motorway....

    Thank you for your responses.

    Alan

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    At worst you will see wear on the lugs from lack of application of grease., there may be galling, all can be easilly fixed during the re-barrelling process (in the case of shot out barrel)


    Ive seen several 20 + yr old actions that are perfect, yet the barrels were very worn.


    Dont discount that old shot out rifle sat at the dealers....

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    A Remington 700 feels clapped out the minute a new one comes out of the box

    (Yes, I have two )

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    What is the likely cost of a re-barreling, say a Sako 75? Does one use a manufacturers original replacement or one from an specialist / independent barrel maker? What is involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David TS View Post
    A Remington 700 feels clapped out the minute a new one comes out of the box

    (Yes, I have two )
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    Personally I have seen one shot out barrel on a .303 P14 Eddystone rifle. God only knows how many cordite rounds had passed down it's bore but when it was retired from use the first 5" or possibly a bit more were smooth with no visible rifling. At this stage it now failed to hold a group in the 200 Yd Bisley bull at 100 yards so it was time to retire it.

    The .270 Win barrel I removed from the 1st Pat Monarch is quite worn but not shot out but I needed a donor for the .280 AI project so this became it. The barrel was still capable of MOA or just over with suitable loads.

    Then there was the eroded throat on the 22/250 BSA CF2 that was bought with a project in mind to have it re-barrelled in .257 Roberts but which came with a quantity of Federal 55 grain ammunition so as you do i put a scope on it and retired to the range to see how it shot. Once sighting in was confirmed I was shocked to find that groups of 5/8"-3/4" were easy to obtain despite the obvious wear the the barrels throat. That particular rifle was sold when Bisley decided to ban the 22/250's use due to it exceeding the new velocity restrictions. I was pulled aside at one of the range days on the Running deer range b John Kynoch and informed that I was no longer allowed to shoot that rifle on their ranges any more. It was sold through Powells of Reigate to an organic free range egg farmer for fox control. Once again I have no idea how many rounds had been through the bore of that rifle.

    I also had for a while a 1895 Steyr in 8x56R that was not shot out but had a deeply rust pitted bore and despite that 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards using old military (1938 manufacture) ball ammunition and the issue iron sights were possible with concentration and careful shooting.

    There is so much rubbish spouted about shot out barrels here in the UK it really is hard to credit half of it with truth.

    Edit:- An interesting comparison is that in America amongst the military surplus crowd more concern is of lug set back in the action than barrel wear yet we never hear of lug set back being mentioned in the UK do we?
    Last edited by Brithunter; 13-10-2012 at 09:45.

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    The US Military long range rifle team once used some specially built single-shot Winchester Model 70's that had a solid bottom. They were made pre-1964 and when I talked to the man who spent many years rebarreling them they were chambered in 300 Winchester Magnum. This was in the mid eighties and he said the actions were still in use.~Muir

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