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    Dorset firearms licensing , had to write to MP

    I know police look at this forum so I hope this gets through.
    My license went in for renewal about the beginning of August. I have held a license for 20 years without any problems and now this. I still don't have a license although I have been told it has been issued.

    Dear Robert Walter,
    I have never felt the need to write to my MP before but feel I have
    little choice as I feel that Dorset Firearms Licensing is in such
    disarray as to make the system a farce.
    I am an avid rifle shooter and some of my income is derived from rifle
    shooting as a deer stalker. My firearms license was due for renewal on
    14/9/2012. Knowing that some constabularies were experiencing backlogs
    I sent my renewal forms back in 1 week after receiving them. This meant
    that the Police dept had the forms for 7 weeks prior to my renewal
    date. I then waited and 2 weeks before my renewal was due, was
    contacted by .................... the local firearms licensing officer to
    arrange a visit to check security and meet me. This meeting went
    without any problems. I then waited for my license to arrive. I started
    to become anxious when with only 2 working days to go until my license
    expired I still had no continuation. Having read via the BASC website
    about what I should do I contacted Dorset Firearms and was told that
    they did not have ............ paperwork and that he was on holiday for 2
    weeks. I then was told that it was okay to have my firearms in my
    cabinet as long as I left them there. THIS IS ILLEGAL. And I told them
    so! They insisted it was okay but I told them I wanted a section 7
    temporary permit. They said that they would put one in the post. IT DID
    NOT ARRIVE UNTIL THE MONDAY. This left me in a situation of breaking the
    law as I did not have a certificate. Strangely then on the Friday before
    Mr ............ returned from holiday I got a phone call saying my license
    was ready. That's odd I said I thought you didn't have the paperwork.
    Plus I wanted to talk to Mr ............ about a change to the application.
    The day after Mr ............... returned to work I had a conversation with
    him about adding a .243 rifle to my license. No problem he said. AND
    HIS PAPERWORK SHOWS IT. Then another 12 days elapse until once again
    there are 2x working days left to the expiry of the temporary permit.
    So I text ............... and tell him that my section 7 license is
    about to expire and still I don't have a license. He phones Dorset
    Firearms who say they're going to post it. ONCE AGAIN MY LICENSE
    EXPIRES AND I'M LEFT BREAKING THE LAW. When my license arrives on the
    Monday 15/10/2012 it has NO .243 rifle. I then phone ..................... who
    confirms that it s on his paperwork. Later I then phone Julie Walsh of
    Dorset firearms licensing who says she didn't have any record of it.
    SOMEONE IS LYING. Julie Walsh then says that if I post my license then
    she'll put it on there as shes spoken to .......... and it's okay. I say
    I'll bring it down it'll be faster than the post and she replies that
    it won't be. Really, yes she says because we only get 1x delivery of
    mail per day from the head office. But she guarantees that when she
    gets it she will do it then and put it straight back in 1st class mail.
    So I duly post my license paying extra for guaranteed delivery on the
    Wednesday 17/10/12 because I am supposed to be culling deer on a deer
    park on the Thursday and have yet to collect my rifle and zero it in.
    What Julie Walsh failed to tell me was that the post takes 1x day to
    travel the 400yds from headquarters to the firearms building. SO POSTING
    YOUR LICENSE IS NOT QUICKER. ANOTHER LIE. So here I am on Thursday
    18/10/2012 supposed to be culling deer and losing money because I am
    not. Having entered my license in plenty of time ( 7 weeks prior to
    renewal). Admittedly I did make a change or at least try to make one,
    but that was 2 weeks before my renewal was due. I have been asked to
    break the law, I have been put in a position where I have broken the
    law and I feel as if I have been lied to or at least not been told the
    whole truth. AND I STILL DON'T HAVE A LICENSE

    I've left out some names, just because.

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    Might have been a good idea to include the chief constable in the loop as well as BASC teyhan. Would have been interesting to see what he had to say.
    I have had variations held up for weeks waiting for a signature of one CC.
    sinbad
    I wish I was half the hunter my dog thinks I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinbad View Post
    Might have been a good idea to include the chief constable in the loop as well as BASC teyhan. Would have been interesting to see what he had to say.
    I have had variations held up for weeks waiting for a signature of one CC.
    sinbad
    Kinda hoping the MP will take it up with the CC. Not a member of BASC

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    They are on massive backlog due to the olympics They qoted me 4-6mths for a new application

    i would hope they do renuals as a prioraty

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    I share your sentiments, teyhan, i have been waiting nearly 3 months for a 1 for 1 variation, however i think your letter is far too long, i sincerely doubt your MP will read all of it.
    Short and to the point is much more effective.

    Ian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinbad View Post
    Might have been a good idea to include the chief constable in the loop as well as BASC teyhan. Would have been interesting to see what he had to say.
    I have had variations held up for weeks waiting for a signature of one CC.
    sinbad
    I would also send a copy to The Home Secretary Theresa May MP, in bold capital letters, this always works in my experience, she will then delegate it down over with the requiste outcome Good Luck PS JOIN ONE OF THE FOLLOWING IMEDDIATELY, BASC, BDS, OR NGO

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    Quote Originally Posted by FGYT View Post
    They are on massive backlog due to the olympics They qoted me 4-6mths for a new application

    i would hope they do renuals as a prioraty
    silly question but why should the olympics affect licensing?

    On a side note Herts have always been very good and a mate has just posted his renewal a fortnight ago, had a call within a week which is all they do now to confirm all details and that storage arrangements haven't changed and that is it done license should be in the post shortly and well before his old one expires. Changing the system so that if you aren't asking for anything difficult and haven't any issues seems so simple, the process of visiting every time seems pretty out dated in this day and age of cost savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I would also send a copy to The Home Secretary Theresa May MP, in bold capital letters, this always works in my experience, she will then delegate it down over with the requiste outcome Good Luck PS JOIN ONE OF THE FOLLOWING IMEDDIATELY, BASC, BDS, OR NGO
    +1 on the last point of advice.. or join SACS who had a little word with my FLD and managed to speed the whole thing up and I got mine back in time. I too wrote to MP PLUS chief constable PLUS BASC PLUS SACS...
    As a addition if you're not BASC etc then with whom do you hold insurance.. vital in these days of litigation in my view?

    Regards

    Fraser
    damnant quodnon intelligunt

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    Always thought the team at Dorset were a great bunch

    Ofcourse we can all only speak as we find.

    Having had my cert revoked the cc Mr Whitting and all his team including Julie were professional throughout and im greatfull having had it returned

    Ive travelled down and had variations done while ive waited after making an appointment

    Hope it all comes good for you bud, i dont think the level of service youve recieved is representative of the whole department

    Terry
    Blessed be the sheeple for they shall inherit bugger all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by al4x1 View Post
    silly question but why should the olympics affect licensing?

    On a side note Herts have always been very good and a mate has just posted his renewal a fortnight ago, had a call within a week which is all they do now to confirm all details and that storage arrangements haven't changed and that is it done license should be in the post shortly and well before his old one expires. Changing the system so that if you aren't asking for anything difficult and haven't any issues seems so simple, the process of visiting every time seems pretty out dated in this day and age of cost savings.

    As i posted on another similar thread

    Dorset had the Weymouth Olympics venue for the offshore sailing they had a leave bann before during and just after to cover it and pulled most of the FEO team off desk jobs to help cover the venue

    I nearly volunteered as a Diver to to help with the underwater sweep of the harbour

    I guess they are still recovering the backlog and the increased leave requests that they can't really say no to after a big blanket leave ban Dorset FEO is only small and from what i've heard over the years are one of the best for being helpful and understanding of unusual requests and pretty good on processing speeds. was a few years back but they used to send out an apology not long now letter if you had over 2 weeks wait
    Dorset Plod is a low Cash county force hell we don't have a single motorway for the traffic guys to get up to speed on

    I would hope that they are doing renewals quicker as a priority.

    ATB

    Duncan

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