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    To Castrate or not to Castrate.....

    I've got an 18 month old black lab. He showed some signs of promise early on, but over the last 6 months is really only interested in sniffing the ground and cocking his leg - can't get him to concentrate on me and it's making even the most basic training session very difficult and often pointless.

    I was hoping to keep him entire as he is a really nice looking dog.

    Is it time that i got him booked into the vets to have the snip? Do vets use implants these days so that he can keep his dignity when out in public?

    Thanks,
    LT.

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    nothing lost by having the snip mate, you'll be doing them a favour too psychologically tbh, and there's a huge percentage rate of labs with testicular cancer. implants,,,don't think it matters tbh, move a gimmick than anything else.

    I have the problem with mine that he doesn't lift his leg, he pees like a girl! whilst funny, it sprays over his stomach and front legs,,how to I teach him to wee like a man!!! LOL!

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    I would get it done, especially if you have no plans to use him as a stud dog.

    Doesn't have any effect on their ability. (Other than the obvious!)

    Saves any hassle with bitches as well as aggression.

    he's still young for training
    Last edited by bambislayer; 26-10-2012 at 14:16.

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    He is still a pup, be patient.

    Al

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    I agree he is still young but 18 months old is not young when it comes to training being well underway and at the very least getting the dogs attention. he should have been giving you his attention from a matter of months old. Wanting to please you is not something that is expected when he matures, pups should offer that.

    Just out of interest is he housed inside or in kennels? Do you make him wait before you go through doors or gates? Do you make him sit before getting his food? There are many things worth trying to remind him you are the most important thing in his life, which appears not to be the case just now. Opening doors or kennel gates and letting him bolt out madly is not teaching him discipline, nor is laying a bowl of food down and letting him wolf into it.

    getting them removed may have no effect whatsoever in getting his undevided attention if he sees you as being below him and chooses to ignore you all the time. Basic discipline and obedience come before training for work as manybaspectsof obedience lead naturally into work training...

    I am not being cheeky but have you trained many working dogs before or is this a first for you? If not a first is it the first time you have had a dog behave like this?

    Just my thoughts on it...

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    Thanks for the replies so far guys. I should expand a bit.....

    It is the first 'proper' gundog i've ever had (lurchers and terriers before) and as a result, the first one I have ever done 'proper' training with. I admit that I am very wet behind the ears on this subject, but have tried very hard to do it right.

    He is quite good in my back garden and on regular walking/training areas. Problems really occur in new/strange areas, with other dogs & people/smells present etc. He will not jump in or out out of the truck until I tell him, would drown in a pool of his own drool rather than rush into his food before being told and is following basic hand signals and whistles. I admit that I probably still have a lot to learn and need to be a bit more consistent with my commands.

    He spends every night in the kennel and I have a kennel at work where he spends his days (with a walk and training exercises at lunch time). He comes in the house most evenings and socialises with my border terrier ( neutered male) then goes in the kennel at bed time.

    He gave me much more attention as a pup and seems to have 'drifted' off me as he has got older - particularly in the last 6 months. He knows what the commands mean because he does it right first time in familiar places and when it's just me and him.

    Any more advice/comments greatfully recieved - and don't worry, I'm thick skinned!

    LT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Terry View Post
    Thanks for the replies so far guys. I should expand a bit.....

    It is the first 'proper' gundog i've ever had (lurchers and terriers before) and as a result, the first one I have ever done 'proper' training with. I admit that I am very wet behind the ears on this subject, but have tried very hard to do it right.

    He is quite good in my back garden and on regular walking/training areas. Problems really occur in new/strange areas, with other dogs & people/smells present etc. He will not jump in or out out of the truck until I tell him, would drown in a pool of his own drool rather than rush into his food before being told and is following basic hand signals and whistles. I admit that I probably still have a lot to learn and need to be a bit more consistent with my commands.

    He spends every night in the kennel and I have a kennel at work where he spends his days (with a walk and training exercises at lunch time). He comes in the house most evenings and socialises with my border terrier ( neutered male) then goes in the kennel at bed time.

    He gave me much more attention as a pup and seems to have 'drifted' off me as he has got older - particularly in the last 6 months. He knows what the commands mean because he does it right first time in familiar places and when it's just me and him.

    Any more advice/comments greatfully recieved - and don't worry, I'm thick skinned!

    LT.
    I am no expert but there are the two connections right there in red...

    If you are not consistent in the enforcement he starts to realise he can get away with it on occasion.

    To be honest your expanded version makes it sound not as bad as the first post!

    There are a few guys on here that are good with dogs that will no doubt chip in as well. My advice would be to get a good DVD on the subject if no-one around to help and I think some of the best are those by Edward Martin at Sealpin Kennels. I know Edward well and he used young novice dogs to make the films ( I know because he borrowed a couple of my pups at the time) unlike some of the others who used dogs obviously well beyond the stage being demonstrated in the clips. That way you see the 'warts and all' in how to progress and correct issues...

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    DONT DO IT you will end up with a dog that looks like a cloth bag full of crap and it wont make any differance to the way he acts only training will do that
    Last edited by sikadog; 26-10-2012 at 16:27.
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    I have a 2 year old Lab pup at the moment, he has been the slowest and hardest pup I have ever had to train. Harder than my GWP. Each pup is different, consistency whilst training is vital. Don't give him long training sessions, 10 min at the most 3 times a day. If he looses interest stop the session and try again later. Make the sessions fun for him.

    Al

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    had my jack done he still humps his best friend ie basket shows he likes bitches
    would he be worse if he had his bxxxs will never know
    somtimes when he looks at me I feel like shxt
    your call
    lister

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