Thanks for the info, that's very useful..yes, I have experienced S&B's up close to my face a few times (and have the scars to show for it too) when taking fast shots with large caliber rifles..LOL..I'm sure we all do, but I 'would' like one with a bit more eye relief, perhaps in the 1.5-6X44 class, will have a look at leupolds offerings. Budget doesn't extend to much more I'm afraid.