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Thread: Diseases in Deer and relate matters

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    Diseases in Deer and relate matters

    Dear all,

    "This forum is intended to be a point of reference for deer diseases, symptoms etc. There will be only one contributor, morena, he will have sole access to the forum. If you find there is something you wish to comment on, do so on another forum. This will be, hopefully, the foremost forum of it's kind, all due to the hard work and expertise of morena"

    This is the wording from the title of the forum, c'mon everyone it is not hard, the more extraneous posts that are put in just make it all untidy and difficult to follow. A bit like writing in an encyclopedia that everyone has to read.

    I have deleted the posts that were put on there and have locked the forum, except for morena of course.

    John

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    Blimey John
    struggling a little bit here with this
    are you saying we should post on another forum if we find anything interesting??
    so then Norman can copy it and put on his own sole section and get all the credit
    can't see that working as well as you think it might
    maybe a re-think is in order here
    the idea of the section is a great idea not sure where you got that idea from
    but the ethics of how it is to be run will prevent a lot info being posted, as there are lots out there with knowledge and pics to show that won't bother to post if they are not able to or can't contribute to in their own right
    i hope you can see my point here
    http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.u...pic.php?t=4900
    http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.u...t=5806&start=0

    Rich

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    I agree with stone on this..

    However he may not agree with my own view..

    And that is.. surely any expert or knowledgable person in any field would readily welcom input, knowledge,theories,experiences and practises from fellow people sharing the same passion and interest.

    Hasnt throughout history more advances been made through debate and adverse comment. What you are suggesting denies the members of this forum of contributing

    What happened to freedom of speech and why on an open forum can we not have our own input to be discussed freely amongst its members for the benefit of all members.

    Terry

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    Terry,

    you have freedom of speech through this link. Morena is an expert in his field, and yet already we have had someone who is banned try and disrupt the advice and knowledge that Morena is providing free of charge to our members.

    If you have anything to ask or input you or anyone feels of value, please do it through the general forum link. Morena will respond and if not you only have to PM him.

    Hope you and Stone can see where we are coming from.

    All the best

    Sikamalc.

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    Gentlemen, Gentlemen, let me explain.

    Read it and you see it makes sense. A purely reference section is ideal, people can go to it and usually find a definitive answer like an encyclopedia. What is the point in you going to a library getting a reference book only to find somebody has added their own views, latest findings or whatever to the margin. You would not be happy and probably confused.

    With regard to Norman getting or even wanting all the credit, well Rich surely you know better than that. This section is not about making anybody look good it is about information, the collation of, and the placing of it in an easily accessible place, where it can be read in isolation. It is however a dynamic thing and will be updated when necessary. Normans hard work comes into play when you realise that it is him who trawls through the site for information, him who combines this information with his 40+ years experience as a Vet and his personal records,, him who sets it all out for others to read. In the real world he gets paid for his opinions and we, plus anyone who cares to look at the site, get it for free. So I think we are extremely fortunate, and I maintain that the information in that forum and indeed the forum itself is due to his hard work and expertise. It is not said to dismiss or denigrate anyone else it is merely a statement of fact.

    Other's can of course post their views pictures or whatever but in another forum, Deer Welfare would probably be ideal, and then from there they can, after discussion be incorporated into the reference forum in the appropriate place, and be easily accessed by reading one article only.

    The idea of the section I think I am right in saying is Norman's, that is where I got the idea from.

    Pheasant sniper 1, as far as I know nothing has happened to free speech, nor do we wish to break from historic precedent, and the aim is not to deny members anything but to make matters easier for them. I am convinced that by doing matters in the manner I have set out, it will provide clear and unambiguous reference material, that is not the work of one man but the result of laborious research and collation of the relevant information of one man.

    I hope this answers your queries.

    John

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    Other's can of course post their views pictures or whatever but in another forum, Deer Welfare would probably be ideal, and then from there they can, after discussion be incorporated into the reference forum in the appropriate place, and be easily accessed by reading one article only.
    I hope this answers your queries.

    John

    I think you mean post into another section on this forum i.e. deer welfare, not one of the other forums?

    Not to clear on your original post.

    "If you find there is something you wish to comment on, do so on
    another forum."

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    I think deer man has summed up my confusion with the post

    Regards

    Terry

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    Quote Originally Posted by deer man
    Other's can of course post their views pictures or whatever but in another forum, Deer Welfare would probably be ideal, and then from there they can, after discussion be incorporated into the reference forum in the appropriate place, and be easily accessed by reading one article only.
    I hope this answers your queries.

    John

    I think you mean post into another section on this forum i.e. deer welfare, not one of the other forums?

    Not to clear on your original post.

    "If you find there is something you wish to comment on, do so on
    another forum."
    No, I meant post on another forum on this site. There are no sections on the Deer diseases and related matters forum, and morena moderates that forum. By posting in another forum, deer welfare being the one of choice, any comments that you might have would provide you with the chance to reply / debate anything.

    John

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    John
    i see where you are going with this and fully understand how great you want to make this site a one off
    but i will stand by the facts of my previous post about the section
    great bit of text and pics from Norm and i will say at this point
    i hav the up most respect for Norman as he already knows as he is a good friend
    but
    http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.u...pic.php?t=4900
    http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.u...t=5806&start=0
    has already thrown up alot more about the disease that what is written by Norman and some of it is easier to understand with a lot of deviations to what the disease can throw out including where and what animals it can be passed onto and affect or carried by
    even if you follow some of the links that i hav posted , you will see what Norman has contributed too, gives an easier and better explanation to what is posted and set out in this seperate section
    don't get me wrong and don't think that i am trying to upset any apple cart

    but as an open forum why should one topic be locked as Norman will admit he is not the one and only , that has the knowledge
    what the next link does not know is not worth ignoring either
    http://www.bada-uk.org/ but don't see any mention as they must be just as important a mention as anyone or thing else
    if you want to keep what Norm has posted as the only info available then why not put it as a sticky or annoucement and that way it will be top of the section but also others can scroll down to read more about the real life experiences about such diseases or infections that may be affecting them so they can contribute to that and share it in the section that it relates to
    Lymes , CWD, TB, Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease, Bluetongue virus, Burcella abortus and Leptospira and others

    sorry but health is health and i hav tried my uptmost to make my issuse felt about Lymes, because i realise it is important to all, ,and not just a section on a site,
    seems like i failed
    as it just got lost in general discussion along the way
    which if you check your pm's from the past you will see i hav mentioned about on several occassions about such a section which you hav thanked me for my idea's but never did anything about
    Cheers
    PS
    i'm not after credit as you hav already given that to Norm as you say you are right in thinking it was his idea
    sorry Norm i luv you man , but facts are facts
    just feel that posts that are of such importances are not being recognised on such a playing field that everyone is involved with that could and will save lives and money alround
    just think you could of done this in a better way that all might relate to
    i might be wrong but probaly will never know
    Rich

    PM sent

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    Rich,

    I think you are looking at this all wrong, you can post whatever you like about Lymes or any disease, and it can be discussed at great length but not in that particular forum. The decision to keep other post's off the forum was only made after discussion and consideration. The thing is trying to please everyone all of the time although laudable is also a bit of a Holy Grail.

    So this forum will be a reference forum, where people will be able to read the articles and then make any comments they feel relevant elsewhere. The feeling was if we did not do it like this then there would be the possibility a great many answers to the article and researching the forum would become difficult and untidy. So the decision was taken, keep the forum easy to read and any comments on it could go elsewhere.

    I hope this makes sense to you, nobody is being prevented from commenting on the content, just not there.

    John

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