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Thread: The Requirements Regarding A Section 5 For Dispatch.

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    The Requirements Regarding A Section 5 For Dispatch.

    Hi members.

    Im looking for more info, and pitfalls, or your experiences with your local firearms dept.

    As above what are The Requirements Regarding A Section 5 For Dispatch.

    Do there vary from County to County.

    Thanks

    Andy

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    It's actually very simple. Show you have 'good reason' and you will get one.

    The caviat to that is whether you actually have a good reason or you just fancy one. What do you intend to use it for? I can't see many people lugging an extra firearm about when stalking to follow up a wounded deer, and I'm not sure suggesting to your FEO that you wound a lot of deer is a great plan . Maybe if you take out a lot of guests then that sort of thing becomes more likely

    If you deal with RTAs then there is almost always a better 'tool' in the cabinet. I tend to use my .22RF, .410 shotgun or captive bolt for these cases.

    I use mine for shooting adult cows and horses. Have only shot a couple of deer with it, and that was more because I had it with me in the car rather than because it was my 1st choice in the situation.

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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    Thanks Apache you raise valid points :-)

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    Lincs will issue them if you make a good case.

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    Hello
    A "Good reason" can also be "Unsafe by another means ie rifle or knife"
    Kind Regards
    Cranhill

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    I have an 'interview' the week after next following submitting an application for a 38/357 handgun.

    My reasons were as follows:

    Following up wounded Sika stags in very heavy and thick cover (Sitka spruce). I sent in a covering letter explaining what the ground was like, and the fact that I guide, I track the deer with a dog with the tracking lead in my hands, I am sometimes on my hands and knees to get through the Sitka, a rifle with a telescopic sight is not usable at the kind of close ranges the deer may need shot again in the trees, I cannot check what is under the animal and a full bore rifle may cause a very dangerous ricochet as it exits, and so on. In other words I have asked for one on health and safety grounds and animal welfare issues. As well as athe fact that a wounded Sika stag can be bloody dangerous so as far as I am concerned a knife is not an option. I also offered the FLD a 'site visit' in the hope that a wee bit of education may be forthcoming from it as well as me being able to show a 'genuine' need for one. The feed back I got for the covering letter was 10/10 for covering all valid points, and the interview is to discuss/answer questions that they must put to me. I applied for one many years ago and the FLD sought advice from the then Deer Commision for Scotland (because they were seen as the 'expert' body), who in turn responded with a load of ill informed opinion resulting in refusal. I let it go on that occasion but now again feel that there is a need, not least because of the numbers being shot, which I also think will have a bearing on its grant.

    Dont get me wrong, if all my stalking was on open hill where a wounded beast could be shot at again from a safe distance with a rifle and where the optics were usable, and reducing the risk of a bullet bouncing back at you, then I would not be applying for one.

    I think if you believe there is a good reason for having one, then also offer the FEO'S an option of a visit to your ground, to prove what difficulties/risks you face. I even suggested to mine that I would hand him the rifle and dog on the lead and tell him to show me how to do it, then try and aim at an imaginary pissed off aggressive stag that is wanting to skewer me and the dog! He laughed....... Because I don't think he thought I was serious.
    Last edited by jamross65; 30-12-2012 at 10:00.

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    One other thing, be very clear on what is a suitable calibre for the job if you don't have any personal experience with handguns. ChrisC on here has given me first class advice based on what he sells and what comes back a few months later as it is unsuitable for the job. I know one lad who was refused a handgun calibre but was granted permission for a .410 pistol, in the meantime to see how he gets on with it . I am told that they are absolutely useless for the job unless the muzzle is almost resting on the animals head.

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    Although I have never used a .410 pistol for humane dispatch I have used a .410 shotgun a number of times - the last time was a limousin bullock weighing ~500kg shot at a distance of about 5 meters. Dropped instantly dead to the shot.

    Realistically what range do you expect with a handgun?

    Incidentally a .32 will kill the biggest bull. I wonder if there is more restriction with people wanting 'a big one'?

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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    A mate of mine a few months back emailed his firearms dept enquiring about getting a .38 special revolver and what conditions etc would be imposed. He waited 3 weeks and no reply. So he banged in a variation stating he wanted it for humane dispatch on his existing ground. 7 weeks later it came back through the post as granted, no interview no nothing just conditioned to 2 shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    Although I have never used a .410 pistol for humane dispatch I have used a .410 shotgun a number of times - the last time was a limousin bullock weighing ~500kg shot at a distance of about 5 meters. Dropped instantly dead to the shot.

    Realistically what range do you expect with a handgun?

    Incidentally a .32 will kill the biggest bull. I wonder if there is more restriction with people wanting 'a big one'?
    I think that a .410 pistol would be a very useful bit of kit to have. Like Apache, I've used a .410 shotgun for despatch of some big animals (large pigs, full grown bullocks weighing 500kg+, etc etc) and found it ideal - never lets me down. A pistol version of the .410 that would fit in your pack or pocket would be great in heavy cover.

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