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    B.f.d ??

    Why dont the English police forces take a lead from the scottish way and give open certs from the out set.????

    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    Why dont the English police forces take a lead from the scottish way and give open certs from the out set.????

    David
    A very good question, perhaps any FLO's viewing this forum would care to answer. atb Tim

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    Because theyve got more brains David... Im glad they dont....

    Apply for your fac then race off out to the country, no training, safety etc

    Bit off subject this but..... Its great living here in Poole one of the busiest RNLI stations in the country...

    Buy a big boat jump in it.. no training.... Run a swimmer over, hit a jet ski, slam into the harbour or run aground as the harbours average depth is 18 inches.....

    Its just so funny because such a large majority of the incidents are witnessed by so many....

    Unlike the countryside!!!
    Blessed be the sheeple for they shall inherit bugger all...

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    just because the land is cleared does it make it safe no , so there for the whole open / close ticket is pointless but i suppose better to have a few rules rather then no ticket at all

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    ps Is on the money and Mr Sniper is way off dead is dead.22 or 300win. But when you limit a deer stalker you cause many more problems than if you give him an ope ticket. If you dont trust the chap at the out set then don't give him a firearm. If you would like him to train eg do the BASC assessment lev one then say so but don't hold his ticket and create a situation were he might brake the law to follow his passion.

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    i have a closed ticket and yes a little frustrating but i truly believe its for the best as said above anyone can just get a licence and go of out shooting in countryside (with verbal) and shoot foxes rabbits etc

    but the big thing is learning back stops where housing estates are and so so .243 will travel 1500m i think that is a long distace when looking over ground so yes closd tickets are good to get you to learn this is why we have provitional driving licence so we can learn then we pass a test and let loose on our own

    i learn from the older guys i shoot with everytime i go out different things ad hopefully ill get mine in the future no rush as i can still go out and be lamp man and watch and stalk use estate rifles with the guys i stalk with no biggy

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    Why dont the English police forces take a lead from the scottish way and give open certs from the out set.????

    David

    Well Having read all the comments so far on this thread I have to separate two issues; a) open -v- closed certificates and b) land checks

    Firstly BASC's view is a person has to be licensed not the gun, caliber, cartridge size or species etc. you are either safe to shoot a rifle or not and the police will wish to determine experience of the applicant. Home Office guidance says: "It is desirable that new applicants should have some previous experience of the safe use of firearms before using such rifles." However it is not their place to trade experience in terms of handling experience to that of ability in the world of deer stalking, ecology, carcass handling etc.

    If a person has been granted a rifle then conditions should not be given based on land suitability; however conditions have been proliferated since the original 1969 guidance document which said they should only be applied in exceptional circumstances where there ws a genuine need to control a certificate holders behaviour. Land size/type does not matter in terms of public safety, it is an applicant’s ability to take a safe shot every time that is the factor in determining whether to grant or not.

    ACPO's Firearms Licensing Working Group accepts that "Relevant experience is not caliber or ammunition type exclusive. It may include the shooting of any quarry species. The aspect that police are looking to be satisfied about is the competency of the applicant to take a safe shot every time. The shooting of any quarry requires a safe backstop for the shot, and such experience is translatable between quarry species.”

    For example; nonsense refusals for larger centrefire calibers where the applicant has rim-fire and has been taking safe shots for some time should not happen.

    We feel land checks are a waste of time as you can have an accident equally on 20 acres of 40,000 hectares regardless of being a newcomer or long time shooter. We hope the Scottish view permeates south.

    Hope this helps
    Last edited by BASC Firearms Dept; 28-01-2013 at 09:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontie3332 View Post
    i have a closed ticket and yes a little frustrating but i truly believe its for the best as said above anyone can just get a licence and go of out shooting in countryside (with verbal) and shoot foxes rabbits etc
    How does a closed ticket in any way help public safety? North Yorkshire give open tickets and it means I can go shooting with anyone or anywhere I have permission. It's all very simple.

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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    I now have an open certificate but I'm glad I wasn't given one to start with:

    I'd target shot for many years before getting my FAC for hunting, but when I first started going out with my rimfires I would have had no business shooting in some of the places I now feel confident to do so.

    There's a lot of adrenalin and excitement when you first start venturing out with your new rifles on new land, and that's not always the best recipe for a considered shot! - Once you're through the honeymoon period, whilst it still get's your heart pumping you are undeniably thinking more about what you are doing... more importantly you have built up the experience of how you and your rifle react to different conditions in the field.

    In my opinion the current way of waiting for a couple of years before granting an open licence is the right way to be doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    How does a closed ticket in any way help public safety? North Yorkshire give open tickets and it means I can go shooting with anyone or anywhere I have permission. It's all very simple.
    My closed ticket allowed me to go out with anyone anywhere... as long as the land had been approved - The only reason you need an "open ticket" is if you want to start shooting smaller, flatter, or more populated shoots (or for going abroad etc).

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