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    On initial reading of the limited info,... If it was an obsolete calibre, & He genuinely believed it inactive/inoperative, HHMMnn!, maybe He should have got himself a certificate of de- activation, as He is a shotgunner He would /should know this?... perhaps a suspended might have served?............ even de acs can be used to threaten a potential robbery victim.
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    MAY be an an obsolete Section 58 caliber??

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    Quote Originally Posted by finnbear270 View Post
    If it was an obsolete calibre, & He genuinely believed it inactive/inoperative, HHMMnn!, maybe He should have got himself a certificate of de- activation, as He is a shotgunner He would /should know this?... perhaps a suspended might have served?............ even de acs can be used to threaten a potential robbery victim.
    A de-act cert., for an obsolete caliber?

    A water pistol can be used to threaten a potential victim, as can a banana or many other things....your point was what, exactly??
    Last edited by saddler; 01-02-2013 at 15:43.

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    Without seeing the pistol one cannot comment on if it was an obsolete one or not. One thing is certain that one cannot rely upon the Police to know nor to act within the law in such cases their own agenda takes prime place.

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    Two thoughts.

    The judiciary does seem to be coming to something of a watershed where "strict liability" offences are concerned, at the moment.

    I'm not sure why possession of the particular "antique" revolver in question actually contravened the 1968 firearms act. Clearly, the court believed that it did, even though it's possession without ammo and it's open display as an "ornament" and "curiosity" all suggest that the act doesn't apply. Interesting... when viewed in the context of Paragraph 2:25 of the Firearms Guidance to Police (2002)...

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    BUT

    IF the revolver IS a S.58 Obsolete Caliber = then lack of knowledge on the part of the Police/Procurator Fiscal is one thing, but as soon as the details relating to S.58 were read out then the case should have been thrown out

    Very difficult to say without more info on the actual revolver...as the Belgians were noted for making back street copies of main firm firearms



    EDIT: Not that long ago Northumbria prosecuted someone for possesion of Sterling SMG magazines, among other offences. He was found guilty of the charge!!
    Last edited by saddler; 01-02-2013 at 16:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter View Post
    Without seeing the pistol one cannot comment on if it was an obsolete one or not. One thing is certain that one cannot rely upon the Police to know nor to act within the law in such cases their own agenda takes prime place.
    I think your oft stated anti-police bias is coming to the fore there. If the police see what they believe to be a revolver lying in a house they have visited and the guy can't produce evidence that it is de-activated, then to seize it and investigate the matter is absolutely the right thing to do. The Way the judge dealt with the matter, in my opinion, was also absolutely right (bearing in mind she was entirely within the law to hand him down a 5 stretch)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter View Post
    Without seeing the pistol one cannot comment on if it was an obsolete one or not. One thing is certain that one cannot rely upon the Police to know nor to act within the law in such cases their own agenda takes prime place.
    Here we are again, tin lids on swing the lights.

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    Original post asked for thoughts - and I think we all appreciate thats as much as anyone can forward given we simply do not have the details - either of the pistol in question or the circumstances.

    May be a bit divergent, but my ( Andy again ) honest thoughts are - until such time as humanity develops some way of creating and wording legislation that is clear, plain, understood by all and achieves it's actual intent without unintended consequences and is intrinsically 'just' ( I believe we are quite some way off that! ); we need the whole chain of the legal profession - police, prosecutors, solicitors, barristers and judges to exercise and display a huge degree of common sense and wisdom; in each and every case - again, anyone think we are there yet?

    We don not have the facts, so strictly guessing based on the story told - but I suspect that the outcome would have been different if the gentleman had employed high calibre ( pun intended ) solicitors and expert testimony.
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