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Thread: FAC and Boar Complications

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    FAC and Boar Complications

    Hi all, here in Dumfries & Galloway the licensing bunch say boar are just vermin so no need to have a specific condition. In other regions some forces are being difficult about allowing stalkers to legally shoot them.

    Can anyone explain why it is different in some areas and am I right in thinking that I could shoot a boar anywhere in the uk because my region says they're vermin but someone down south has to apply for a specific condition in some areas?

    cheers

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    The Home Office guidance is that boar have to be specifically mentioned as a quarry for your rifle(s) not least because there are recommendations about minimum calibre and for example a .243 with "vermin" on it will not be suitable for boar.

    If your local police regard boar as vermin and are happy for you to shoot under that condition then fine, my view is that this will not cut much ice if you then go to shoot boar in another constabulary as boar will not be mentioned on your FAC and they will take the view that you are in breach of your conditions if you use any rifle on boar not specifically cleared for boar.

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    I'm from d & g and when i went in to get a like for like for a bigger rifle for boar i took the acpo? guidlines with me that basc had sent up to me whch says in black and white not vermin and to be mentioned on ticket. He could see i was concerned and gave me a covering letter saying was able to shoot feral pigs/boar and they regaurded them as vermin. There a pretty good bunch in there and really easy to deal with in my experience at least.
    Think they feel as so few of them and so little access to shoot them not a big problem as long as u use bit o common sense and a big enough rifle.

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    I got quite a short response that I thought made good sense, it went along the lines that 'well we class boar as vermin and if you chose to shoot them we'd have no problem PROVIDING you use your .308'

    What suprised me was he quoted me my .308 in the conversation. He must have brought my details up on his computer to see my file and what guns I owned but more importantly the land authority letters to see where I shoot!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roe steak
    I got quite a short response that I thought made good sense, it went along the lines that 'well we class boar as vermin and if you chose to shoot them we'd have no problem PROVIDING you use your .308'

    What suprised me was he quoted me my .308 in the conversation. He must have brought my details up on his computer to see my file and what guns I owned but more importantly the land authority letters to see where I shoot!!!
    Fair enough for D&G, and you are lucky to have such a reasonable FLO but this won't help you if you shoot boar anywhere else using that FAC.

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    Here in the Thames Valley, they have put WB on my ticket and even allowed me a 300WSM for them as well as my 308

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    FAC AND BOAR

    Avon and somerset said it had to be worded wild boar on my licence and i also had to have a letter from the land owner who had the boar problem.
    I just wonder if the flos in different areas are a bit out of there depth with wild boar what with them being a relatively new quarry species and are righting themselfs in an escape clause by putting boar down as vermin on the fac just incase a problem arises
    In todays politically correct enviroment i really believe that if heaven forbid an accident/incident occured any lawyer worth his salt could get a conviction against you if your licence stated deer and vermin.
    They would simply state that wild boar are a very large and sometimes dangerous quarry species hunted world wide and not a rat or rook
    There for you should not have been out with a rifle after them in the first place unless they were actually worded on the fac.
    I for one would also be very interested to see on how you would stand with the various insurance companies like the one included by basc etc if a problem ever arose.
    These guys wrote the book on how to avoid payment on a claim if they can possibly find a loop hole to get out of it mmmmmm food for thought.
    Unfortunately i dont think we will find out if vermin is satisfactory on a licence untill something bad happens.
    It will certainlly restrict your movements from county to county and could put you in hot water if you were stopped in some areas.
    Myself i prefer to cross the ts and dot the eyes and sleep easy knowing that i have got myself covered.
    JUST MY VIEW
    ATB
    RICK O SHEA

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    The reason that there is confusion is that the Home Office couldn't organise a party in a brewery! I asked for Feral Goats to be put on my FAC and they put Wild Boar instead on all of my calibres from .222 rem to 7mm Rem Mag! Why the hell they don't just employ one knowledgable man for six months to re-write the Home Office Guidance then re-issue it to all Police forces and tell them to stick to it and not make it up as they go along is beyond me. JC

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    Hi guys,

    if you specifically request boar on your FAC and show you access to them either on your land or as a paying guest with permission to shoot them, it should be granted without undue delay. The home office guidance is not law.

    The police in any area may ask you for details but a quick covering letter from the holder of the shooting rights/land owner sorts it.

    Home Office Guidance section 13.25 - Other Animals: Authority may be requested to shoot animals which fall outside the scope of usual types of game or vermin, for example feral goat or wild boar. The type of rifle authorised should be appropriate to the quarry species, for example .270, .30-06 or.308 or greater for wild boar. Hunting potentially dangerous animals with larger calibre rifles requires particular skill, and applicants should generally have experience of firearms. Applicants should put forward specific named land and a request or authority from the owner/occupier to shoot the species concerned[/b]

    D&G openly class their boar as vermin
    , this is simply because the home office guidance is only guidance and not law. Nothing in the HO guidance is a must so from a legal point of view you can't be convicted if you were a first time out with a mate shooter and shot a boar say with a 243 without boar on his ticket because a law has not been broken and boar have no legal status.

    Things will change when boar are given legal status but obviously at the mo keep on the good site of your FLO and do what they ask to avoid hassle even if they're a pain.




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    These are good points, my local FLO told me off the record that the CPS would not be interested if I broke a Chief Constable's condition like shooting a fox with a rifle that did not have foxes (or vermin) named and this would presumably apply to boar as well. What he wasn't quite so clear on was how my next application for a renewal would go if I did so.

    He refused to give me a variation to use my .270 for boar despite me having a written invitation to shoot on ground cleared by the constabulary in which the ground lay. When I challenged him with the HO Guidelines he finally told me that the Chief Constable "does not want to be a ground breaker on this". He was so stupid that he thought all deer were culled in fenced off areas and he gave me the variation for increased ammo to allow for holding some heavier rounds despite refusing the variation which justified the request!

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