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    Pre DSC

    The DSC Courses are normally run over two three or even Four days. The cost of these days is normally very high and the ones i have been on have a good pass rate, Knowing that it is not a fail-able test but an assessment and you only need to go back at a cost of 20 to resit any section if necessary.
    Do you think there is a place for a pre lev one day added on or do you think they are a waist of cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    The DSC Courses are normally run over two three or even Four days. The cost of these days is normally very high and the ones i have been on have a good pass rate, Knowing that it is not a fail-able test but an assessment and you only need to go back at a cost of 20 to resit any section if necessary.
    Do you think there is a place for a pre lev one day added on or do you think they are a waist of cash.
    why bother with pre lev one day. you get out what you put in, study study study and revise revise revise. that alone will get you through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keeperstweed View Post
    why bother with pre lev one day. you get out what you put in, study study study and revise revise revise. that alone will get you through.
    To be honest it is only a money making scam, as you quite rightly say study and revision should make you aware of whats ahead , if your a seasoned stalker and have the knowledge, the assessment maybe the answer thats if you have the knowledge the sit and read the book , which Ive seen many do until the reach there level two only to find out ,they have missed out on half the protocol for the level 2 questions and answers .

    There in lays the problem , at the rear with all the gear but no clue ,stalking is far form only about the level one and two it is about gaining years of experience in various conditions and seasons ,and a host of other things which you cannot get out of courses or books .

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    I've had a fair few novices and some have never shot anything bigger than rabbits and also a lot that don't have an FAC! So long as they are provided with good pre-course materials and some form of deer identification information and do a bit of studying before hand then they can walk into the course as prepared as any stalker. Good solid tuition on the range and you find those with no experience often outshoot the experts lol.

    Deerstalkers with experience who haven't done level 1 can't answer a big percentage of the dsc1 questions without actually doing revision and that will catch people out that 'think they know' when they come to the course who haven't studied, that's because of technical questions that require specific information that you can only get from reading the literature. Because here in Scotland!... surely everyone knows that a muntjac fawn will loose it's spots at about two months, fallow deer in adult dentition have 32 teeth and obviously Chinese water deer rut in December!

    But, to be fair it will give novices and more experienced shooting folk confidence if they do the course before their L1.

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    There are those out there who are not ready for a level one who want to find out more and experience the pressure of the shooting test and the simulated stalk. If 6p and WS are right, and they may be, why have I had a group of 3 who want a pre level one and when offered a level 1 DSC they declined as they felt it was too much for their experience contact me in the past 2 weeks? Where WS and I do agree is on the subject of experience that is why our pre level 1 course is one day on deer id, habitat and equipment and day 2 is practical with range work and simulated stalking. Going on the feed back we have the balance about right.

    Mark
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    Per DSC courses are good because it takes away the assessment part of DSC1 which can be a big worry. So it's all about learning. I think for someone just starting out it would be great because before being tested on a subejct they would be able to learn the basics in a relaxed friendly environment. Not everyone has access to a mentor to show how everything is done.

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    I see there is an increasing demand for pre-DSCL1 courses. As stated by the OP and others, the shortened course is about cramming for the learning and working out how to pass the assessments.
    It seems inevitable that as more and more people take it, there will be fewer experienced stalkers and far more novices talking it - especially when it seems to be used as a gatepost to gaining an FAC (but let's not get into that issue here!)

    The reality is that more people are on courses with less experience - of deer and more importantly firearms - and therefore the focus of the course may not cater for people with very little experience. A pre-day, with no assessment, but which gives an opportunity to gain some experience (especially in the handling of firearms etc), however limited must be a good thing.

    In the same way a pre-DSCL2 course, helping candidates to understand what is required of them by an AW is also a sensible idea - and may help save both the stalkers and the AW's time in the long run.
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    How can you need a pre- DSC 1 course???
    It's mainly theory! All of the providers I know issue manuals/training material prior to the course. Other than learning what is issued, there should be no other requirement! Learn as much as you can before attending so that most of it is revision and you will enjoy the course much more as you will have more capacity and therefore be under less pressure!
    MS

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    It's a confidence thing though, in honesty though I always get guys direct onto their dsc1 because if the fail any part of it they only need to resit that part or parts which gives them a clear target to aim for. Very few guys actually need resits but it's easy to panic and sometimes a guy melts under pressure and goes blank.

    Pre-dsc1 can also be just informative training and doesn't mean someone has to do level 1. It's easy to say 'you don't need it' but if people felt it was worthwhile or valuable and helped them then there is a place for it.

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    Our prelevel 1 has become more of an introduction to stalking course and to see total new comers get totally captivated by sport of stalking is great. Numbers can only be a good thing for the sport as there is strength in numbers
    STALKING. WILD BOAR IN FRANCE. SOLE UK AGENT FOR BACONNES DOMAINE DE CHASSE. TRAINING. DSC 1 COURSES AND DSC 2 WITNESSING. FIRST AID FOR STALKERS.
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