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Thread: Shooting Organisations how representative are they?

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    Shooting Organisations how representative are they?

    There are many organisations which claim to represent shooting interests, however as soon as one gets a mention on SD discussions ensue regarding their relative merits and all too often their shortcomings. Would it not be in the best interest of all their members if there was a degree of cooperation between these for mutual benefit? After all if our opponents such as the RSPCA and LACS can work together, why not BASC, CA,SACS, BDS etc.?
    atb Tim

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    Unfortunately they're all competing for the same pound so any form of cooperation or thought for the members would be lost in the scrabble for the cash.

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    Agree with both sentiments as posted...

    We'd be in a much stronger position if there was one, overarching body to cover UK shooting, with sub-bits that specialised in stalking, wildfowling, game, clay, etc..., etc..., etc...

    However, they all seem hell bent on spending our annual subs, advertising how great they are, rather than lobbying as efficiently as RSPCA/LACS/Brian May...

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    I agree with timbrayford to a great extent - 'stand together or hang apart'! So much duplication, path cutting and lost opportunity.

    BUT - I think snowy's comment actually might have hit the nail on the head. The whole shooting community is quite a divided one when you get right down to it. Many staff members - particularly at higher levels are shooters so ultimately out of that same divided pool. I suspect - not know, but suspect - that the divisions and politics that we see rolled out during every discussion about The Organisations are just as rife between them as us.

    It doesnt really matter what your stance is - pro them or against, power ego players, money grabbers etc etc - it really doesnt and everyone entitled to a view whether one personally agrees or not. BUT - the focus always comes back to the differences, not what we have in common. Whether its based on religion, skin colour, territorial boundary or a shooting sport history suggests such a mindset rarely produces cohesive non partisan ( not the PPU ammo kind ) co-operative effort.

    To overcome that inertia needs charismatic leadership - none evident; or some cataclysmic event that forces co-operation. Previous legislation events suggests that short of a total ban on all fieldsports no event will be deep enough to unify us.

    Missed out ( edit ) - the likes of LACS, RSPCA etc do have their internal issues - but a far more focussed commonalty of purpose. Their position readily attracts support without deep thought - so they have the advantage of being default choice. They also - ALLEGEDLY - do not have FACs etc to carefully protect interms of potential campaign techniques. I raise the point purely hypothetically and make no claim whatsoever of any wrong doing by any such organisation.

    Additionally, they capitalise on their default position by spending sums on professional fund raisers that would cripple even the BASC war chest. It is the infighting thsat keeps our organisations small and poor that presents the biggest threat to not being able to 'just carry on as we are'.

    So is all lost? I believe change best starts with the individual
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    I think you may be surprised how often and how much the organisations such as BASC, CA, NGO work together on common issues.

    For example, we work on FACE UK and FACE Europe to oppose further restrictions on lead ammunition.

    Ultimately, just taking those three, we all cater for different bits of the market, offer different membership packages and levels of service.

    Its good to have freedom of choice for the consumer and it also keeps the organisations on their toes!

    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by David BASC View Post
    I think you may be surprised how often and how much the organisations such as BASC, CA, NGO work together on common issues.

    For example, we work on FACE UK and FACE Europe to oppose further restrictions on lead ammunition.


    Ultimately, just taking those three, we all cater for different bits of the market, offer different membership packages and levels of service.

    Its good to have freedom of choice for the consumer and it also keeps the organisations on their toes!

    David
    David,
    what is FACE UK?

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    there seems to be a degree of competition between organisations every one of them say they will do best for us but a real force for deer stalking does not exist
    BASC is good but has too many irons in the fire and when all said and done is reallly ex wildfowling .
    NGO is just what it says gamekeeping generally tries to cover stalking but lacks the resorces
    BDS not a stalking organisation but a deer welfare charity and not big enough or dynamic enough.haveing said that their press release tody was pretty good
    CA born out of hound hunting
    Stalking/rifle shooting is the fastest growing shooting in britan today pity no organisation stands out for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roedeerred View Post
    there seems to be a degree of competition between organisations every one of them say they will do best for us but a real force for deer stalking does not exist
    BASC is good but has too many irons in the fire and when all said and done is reallly ex wildfowling .
    NGO is just what it says gamekeeping generally tries to cover stalking but lacks the resorces
    BDS not a stalking organisation but a deer welfare charity and not big enough or dynamic enough.haveing said that their press release tody was pretty good
    CA born out of hound hunting
    Stalking/rifle shooting is the fastest growing shooting in britan today pity no organisation stands out for it.
    Can't add more than Moray's post. "We are all in this together" if we could only realise that and put differences aside for the greater good.

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    Sorry, I should have been more clear about FACE!

    Here is a link to the main FACE web site – that explains FACE and its role across Europe.
    http://www.face.eu/about-us

    In the UK there are a group of organisations, including BASC and the CA plus others, who make up FACE UK, the FACE UK team put forward joint documents consultations and representations on FACE issues on behalf of hunters \ shooters in the UK

    Best wishes

    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by David BASC View Post
    Sorry, I should have been more clear about FACE!

    Here is a link to the main FACE web site – that explains FACE and its role across Europe.
    http://www.face.eu/about-us

    In the UK there are a group of organisations, including BASC and the CA plus others, who make up FACE UK, the FACE UK team put forward joint documents consultations and representations on FACE issues on behalf of hunters \ shooters in the UK

    Best wishes

    David
    Cheers.
    Is there any way the public can show suport for face uk?

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