View Poll Results: Does in March

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  • Stop doe culling end of Feb

    38 24.20%
  • Continue until end of March

    52 33.12%
  • Only shoot prickets and/or followers in March

    25 15.92%
  • Varies dependant on cull achieved

    42 26.75%
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Thread: Does in March

  1. #1

    Does in March

    I am aware that this subject has been discussed in the past but thought a poll might be useful. I have been told, by a reliable and informed source, that consideration is being given to reverting to the doe season closing at the end of February. We tend to stop shooting does at the end of February and if necessary balance our cull with prickets and followers in March. That's just our preferred approach. Apologies but I have submitted the poll seperately.


    Richard
    Deer Diary
    Last edited by Frog; 11-03-2013 at 07:40.

  2. #2
    Richard i cant see the season going back to the end of february with a 50% increase in deer being culled ,called for.

    Havent seen you for a while i will give you bell when i get chance and have a catch up.
    cheers jon
    Last edited by RICK O SHEA; 11-03-2013 at 08:24.

  3. #3
    I think it depends on your cull plan the area were i am has many differing objectives regards deer .I have ground were the deer have been managed year after year and are in fine fekel. These areas the cull has been done normally by the end of January. We also have areas were the deer need culled to protect growing trees and crop,s we will not stop on these places and will actually increase our efforts as the kick out starts. Mainly roe were i am.
    Last edited by 6pointer; 11-03-2013 at 13:39.

  4. #4
    Why? There are no deer welfare issues regarding young animals. If anything, it could even be extended until the end of April!
    It is viewed as 'best practice' to shoot heavily pregnant Muntjac Does, so why should it be different for other species?
    If your cull plan requires animals to be culled and there are no deer welfare issues, then what is the problem?
    If you don't like it, you don't have to do it, but there are some folks out there that will need the extra time.
    Many estates with commercial game shoots will not let deer management even begin until after the game bird season has finished.
    I've not heard any rumours about changing it and recent news reports would certainly not indicate support for reversion to previous seasons.
    MS

  5. #5
    If you don't like it, you don't have to do it

    well there`s the answer, I personally find it distasteful......
    but...... it depends on your objectives in your management plan
    culling a doe with twins makes a serious impact on deer numbers for that year.
    If thats whats needed you have to do it.
    BUt if you dont need to,perhaps your deer population is marginal, its nice to leave them
    Certainly pheasant shooting makes doe culling difficult until February.

  6. #6
    I really can't see why they would want to change it back. With the amount of press deer have had over the last 6 months i find this very strange.
    On what grounds does you reliable and informed source say this is?

    In a ideal world i think most of us would have our doe cull completed by the end of february but the extra month allows us to keep to our cull numbers if we have not completed them.
    "Good advice is always certain to be ignored, but that's no reason not to give it." Agatha Christie

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by badbob View Post
    If you don't like it, you don't have to do it

    well there`s the answer, I personally find it distasteful......
    but...... it depends on your objectives in your management plan
    culling a doe with twins makes a serious impact on deer numbers for that year.
    If thats whats needed you have to do it.
    BUt if you dont need to,perhaps your deer population is marginal, its nice to leave them
    Certainly pheasant shooting makes doe culling difficult until February.
    How do you tell if the doe that you are about to shoot has twins or not?

    What difference does it make if you shoot that doe on Nov' 1 or March 31 (or in April for that matter (if it was legal to do so))?

    Personally, I would rather shoot a doe in March when she has had a chance to guide and feed fawns or kids through thier first winter than in November when they are still very naive and, to a certain extent, dependant.

    The issue of gameshooting effecting deer culling is a separate problem altogether and one for landowners to decide where their priorities lay.

    I have asked lots of people and no-one has ever given me a satisfactory answer as to why a Stalker walking quietly through the woods in daylight, having one or two shots with a moderated rifle causes massive disturdance to game but several 'keepers out on quad bikes three or four nights a week shooting rats and rabbits with ten shot Benellies is no problem?

  8. #8
    "What difference does it make if you shoot that doe on Nov' 1 or March 31 (or in April for that matter (if it was legal to do so))?"

    I have to agree JC275 it makes little difference, the doe will be pregnant already in August.
    The foetus will not really develop til January.
    Its just a personal issue, I just dont like gralloching perfectly formed twins
    that could be live born in a few weeks time.
    If its necessary thats ok, if its not, its a waste.

  9. #9
    Don't shoot the messenger! It is perfectly understandable that there will be different demands, pressures and views. Our position is simply that we don't need to cull mature does in March and we prefer not to, if we had to, we would! But then our system is polling the least favoured!

    Although it is a bit of a straw poll and completely unscientific I will feed the result back.

    Thanks for your interest and lively debate.

    Richard
    Deer Diary

  10. #10
    All being equal I would rather shoot any does and followers that need culling end October and into November. They are still in reasonable condition and gets numbers own before the bad weather, leaving plenty of food for those that remain so hopefully they should get through the winter in reasonable shape.

    The good thing about shooting Does in March is any followers should be of a size and through the worst of the winter and be able look after themselves, so little or no welfare issues. If there has been a first spring flush of growth of new grass etc, yeld does may have put on a bit o condition so a better carcass. But yes gralloching a heavily pregnant animal is not that pleasant.
    Last edited by Heym SR20; 11-03-2013 at 14:48.

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