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Thread: estimating roe populations

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    estimating roe populations

    I know this is like asking the length of a piece of string hidden in a darkened cupboard in an unknown house at an unspecified location, but...

    What would people with experience estimate the density of roe to be in the following conditions (just rough upper and lower limits):

    600 acre farm in North Fife.

    Mostly (70%) sheep/cow pasture - some improved (flat, lawn like), some not (tussocks and gorse thickets and patches of raggedy scrub). Some woodland (mix of 5-8 year old broadleaf and much older, unmanaged spruce).

    Surrounded on 2 sides by dense forestry (spruce), one side by more cow pasture, and one side by arable.

    No stalking carried out over previous 5 years.

    Any thoughts very much appreciated.

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    The answer to the piece of string is easy (twice as long as half of it ) the answer to your deer question, the only way you will ever know is to spend 24 hours a day 7days a week on the ground and then it would only be an educated guess
    AT THE AGE OF 50 I DECIDED I WAS GOING TO GROW OLD F***ING DISGRACEFULLY

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    I am amazed,if not slightly sceptical that there is 600 acres in North Fife that has had no deer stalking in recent years, depending on the type of pasture and age/type of grasses you might well see a number of deer pay a visit from the forestry. but not so much if the pastures are heavily grazed by sheep.

    Best way to get a handle on what is about is to clock up some hours on the ground, even if this farm has not been stalked the neighbouring land will be and "your" ground might well be providing your neighbours with a constant supply of incomers.


    Regards

    BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post

    600 acre farm in North Fife.

    Mostly (70%) sheep/cow pasture - some improved (flat, lawn like), some not (tussocks and gorse thickets and patches of raggedy scrub). Some woodland (mix of 5-8 year old broadleaf and much older, unmanaged spruce).

    Surrounded on 2 sides by dense forestry (spruce), one side by more cow pasture, and one side by arable.

    No legal or organised stalking carried out over previous 5 years.

    Any thoughts very much appreciated.
    sounds like it could be a perfect "bed and breakfast" scenario.
    you have 420 acres of "breakfast" and your neighbours have the "bed"!

    Best get some time on the ground to quantify it though.

    i too am synical that anywhere within 100 miles (or more) of a town in Scotland can claim to have not been stalled over any timescale.
    i had a seat in a syndicate on the far side of the world in a remote forest plot 10 miles down a forest track with a locked gate.
    after none if us shooting for a 3 week period I found enough car tracks, litter, footprints down rides and signs that it may as well have been the Lake District on a bank holiday!
    some cheeky sod even left a Eroing target he had used!

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    Stab in the dark since its bordered by block forestry. But sounds not too dissimilar to our farm of 800 acres and I estimate there to be around 30 - 40 Roe on that lump of land at any given time. Sometime less but never usually more.

    Tom
    I'm telling Captain - from the Wee'est of men.

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    WHAT DEER ARE EXCLUSIVELY TERRITORIAL TO YOUR GROUND PROBABLY FEW ENOUGH, WHAT DEER MAY BE USING THE GROUND, DEPENDS ON SO MANY VARIABLES IT IS POINTLESS TO GUESS. iF YOU HAVE TIME TO CAST A LAMP OVER THE GROUND AND SPY IT AM AND PM YOU SHOULD DEVELOP A REASONABLE ESTIMATE OF WHAT DOES ARE WHERE AND WHAT THE RESIDENT BUCKS ARE. hOW THE DEER ARE MANAGED IN THE NIEGHBOURING FORESTRY WILL HAVE A MAJOR BAREING ON WHAT SORT OF RESEVOIR OF DEER ARE AVAILABLE.
    i WOULD ALSO WALK THE FENCES ,BURNS AND DEEP COVERTS TO SEE IF THERE ARE MANY BONES FROM OLD DEATHS LYING AROUND.

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    pitiliedon
    Stop Shouting
    AT THE AGE OF 50 I DECIDED I WAS GOING TO GROW OLD F***ING DISGRACEFULLY

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    Thanks folks.

    I've been out three times and seen between 1 and 8 in a couple hours walk, so was wondering where to extrapolate/guesstimate from there.

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    How much of the ground did you walk? How much of the cover did you 'tap out' to see what was laid up? Quite difficult really, especially as you have block forestry close by. The more time you spend there the better idea you'll get! Are you looking to determine what cull figure you should try achieve?
    I'm telling Captain - from the Wee'est of men.

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    This time of year is not a bad time to see the population before they start to go their separate ways. In the mid '70's I remember stepping out the back door one evening in early April and looking east 100yds or so. 16 roe were in the field and a 17th was in the forestry on the other side of the fence. Regards JCS

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