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    police contradictions

    I'd appreciate opinions on this.

    A colleague of mine is applying for his FAC.

    He lives in rented accomodation, so cannot install his own cabinet.

    He asked if he could store his rifle in mine.

    So I emailed the police to ask if this was acceptable, and exactly how this would need to be recorded on out respective FACs.

    The return email said that would be fine - I would just need to apply for a variation to add his rifle (.22LR) to my FAC. Under reason, I was to put 'storage for colleague'.

    So we submitted our applications. And then the FEO phoned up and told me that was unnacceptable. I could not get a variation to add an additional .22LR to my ticket because storage for colleague was not good reason. We must get a separate cabinet installed in my house for his rifle.

    Foolishly, perhaps, I agreed, and that;s how it will be.

    But the more I think about it, the more angry I get. What would have been the best reaction here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post
    I'd appreciate opinions on this.

    A colleague of mine is applying for his FAC.

    He lives in rented accomodation, so cannot install his own cabinet.

    He asked if he could store his rifle in mine.

    So I emailed the police to ask if this was acceptable, and exactly how this would need to be recorded on out respective FACs.

    The return email said that would be fine - I would just need to apply for a variation to add his rifle (.22LR) to my FAC. Under reason, I was to put 'storage for colleague'.

    So we submitted our applications. And then the FEO phoned up and told me that was unnacceptable. I could not get a variation to add an additional .22LR to my ticket because storage for colleague was not good reason. We must get a separate cabinet installed in my house for his rifle.

    Foolishly, perhaps, I agreed, and that;s how it will be.

    But the more I think about it, the more angry I get. What would have been the best reaction here?

    You have already done the right thing (by agreeing to the installation of an additional cabinet to be used exclusively by your friend) since you clearly failed to provide "good reason" for possession of an additional .22

    What's not to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamus View Post
    You have already done the right thing (by agreeing to the installation of an additional cabinet to be used exclusively by your friend) since you clearly failed to provide "good reason" for possession of an additional .22

    What's not to understand?
    How about the verbal garbage of the original advice from those who should know better?
    (The Unspeakable In Pursuit Of The Uneatable.) " If I can help, I will help!." Former S.A.C.S. member!

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    Um... did you miss something? I have in writing from them advice that storage for a colleague was good reason.

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    While a friend of mine was working abroad i had a variation on mine to store his 22 243 and 270. TVP had no problem issuing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post
    Um... did you miss something? I have in writing from them advice that storage for a colleague was good reason.
    So why are you canvassing for opinions? ... Incidentally, why is keeping them for your "colleague" a good reason? Why can't he keep his own property at his own, rented, address?

    I am also intrigued by your description of this third party... not a friend but "colleague". I tend to wonder what has been made of that distinction by others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post
    Um... did you miss something? I have in writing from them advice that storage for a colleague was good reason.
    You have it in black and white, I'd fire the email back at them, asking if there has been a change of policy since you were reliably informed by that email that it was fine, and then ask to have, in writing, the exact reason why they have refused the variation based on the advice you were given.
    Though, personally, I think a seperate safe is the better option, then only your friend has access to it, relieving you of any responsibility, also, as long as you are happy for him to have a key for your house too, then he doesn't need to rely on you being there everytime he needs to access it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamus View Post
    So why are you canvassing for opinions?
    To vent my spleen, and because I'm genuinely curious about whether there was a better way for this to have been handled

    [/QUOTE]... Incidentally, why is keeping them for your "colleague" a good reason? [/QUOTE]

    You are a deliberately obtuse man, aren't you? I never set out to prove that it was a good reason: I wrote to the police asking them for advice on the sitiation, and they wrote back telling me that storage for a colleague was what I needed to put on my application as reason to posess. At the pont, it seemed like a perfectly sensible reason: 2 people sharing one cabinet, therefore the one with the keys needs to have the relevant firearms on his FAC.

    [/QUOTE] Why can't he keep his own property at his own, rented, address? [/QUOTE]

    Landlord won't let him keep firearms on the property.

    [/QUOTE] I am also intrigued by your description of this third party... not a friend but "colleague". I tend to wonder what has been made of that distinction by others.[/QUOTE]

    It was the word I used in the application. He is a work colleague who has become a close friend.

    You're a very annoying man, you know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post

    So I emailed the police to ask if this was acceptable, and exactly how this would need to be recorded on out respective FACs.

    The return email said that would be fine - I would just need to apply for a variation to add his rifle (.22LR) to my FAC. Under reason, I was to put 'storage for colleague'.

    And then the FEO phoned up and told me that was unnacceptable.
    Who was that from? the FLD or station sgt??

    I ask because 5 years ago the station sgt at a rural nick told my boss that there was no need for him to speak to the police re me shooting deer on his land.

    The reason given was that as the landowner he could give permission to anyone he wanted and the police didn't need to be involved

    Oh how my FEO laughed at that
    Last edited by Archer; 21-03-2013 at 15:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post
    To vent my spleen, and because I'm genuinely curious about whether there was a better way for this to have been handled
    Incidentally, why is keeping them for your "colleague" a good reason? [/QUOTE]

    You are a deliberately obtuse man, aren't you? I never set out to prove that it was a good reason: I wrote to the police asking them for advice on the sitiation, and they wrote back telling me that storage for a colleague was what I needed to put on my application as reason to posess. At the pont, it seemed like a perfectly sensible reason: 2 people sharing one cabinet, therefore the one with the keys needs to have the relevant firearms on his FAC.

    [/QUOTE] Why can't he keep his own property at his own, rented, address? [/QUOTE]

    Landlord won't let him keep firearms on the property.

    [/QUOTE] I am also intrigued by your description of this third party... not a friend but "colleague". I tend to wonder what has been made of that distinction by others.[/QUOTE]

    It was the word I used in the application. He is a work colleague who has become a close friend.

    You're a very annoying man, you know that?[/QUOTE]


    Careful! ... deep breaths... count to ten...

    Then ask your questions where they should be asked... Down at Fettes Ave.

    Personally, I don't see what business it is of the landlord's... I'd love to read the lease that discriminates against a tenant's human rights, to pursue lawful interest and take reasonable steps (neigh meet statutory requirement, in this instance) to safeguard his own possessions within his own home in the same manner anyone else might, who was not a tenant of his.

    By the way, I still think (as annoying as this may sound, for which I apologise, reservedly ) possession "because it's your colleagues stuff" is very flimsy "good reason" and I even no other's who do this... How annoyiing is that?

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