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    Newbie (and BASC election candidate)

    Hello everyone.
    I did a search on the biz manager at BASC a few minutes ago and it brought me to this forum. I see that one of the regular contributors was a candidate a couple of years ago but was not successful. I also noted his final post on the subject that reported how few members actually vote.

    Its very true, less than 3% of members seem to vote.

    I have set up a website at where you can read more about my case for being elected.

    I'm not a stalker, so don't vote for me if you think I am, but I am someone willing to give it a shot and try to help BASC represent all shooters in the UK, whatever their preferred shooting discipline.

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    SD Regular
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Herefordshire, Hampshire or Essex

    Many thanks for your open post - and I appreciate the effort you are making to get in touch with an area of the sport which is not your natural...err.....hunting ground.
    Welcome to the site - I hope it provides you with knowledge - and support - for your candidature.

    E t R
    Nooooooooooooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!! Our main weapon is.........

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    I wish you well this site got a chap voted in and we never heard of him again

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    Just wanted to say that I'm in the 3%! I've voted for 2013, although I must admit to having supported a different candidate based on views on land acquisition.

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    Hi Martyn welcome to a great forum.

    I can confirm that Martyn is a true countryman, with some cracking working Springers i might add.
    Well worth anyones vote , best of luck with the elections.

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    Many thanks chaps. Sorry to have missed Pine Marten's vote, my fault for being slow to get on here! The land acquisition topic was agendered at council last year and, I was told that it failed as it was aimed solely at coastal land that could be used by a very small minority of members. It was also intended to be a use of the Wildlife Habitat Trust fund, which has been used to great effect as a loan fund to help all manner of shooting related projects.
    I confess to not being too well informed on the subject and to basing this on reports but, personally, I quite like the idea on investment in land but wouldnt want to see it restricted to land that could only be used by one discipline of shooting. I think the WHT should stay for all members to access and for use by all shooting disciplines.

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    Hello Martyn.

    In my opinion, loss of available land to shooting (by which I mean driven, rough, wildfowling, stalking, the lot) is the single greatest danger our sport faces. The fact is that there isn’t that much land to go around, and there are arguable far better economic uses for much of it than the various forms of shooting. Much of the shooting in the UK is organised and accessed in a way that reflects the structure of land ownership. Broadly, there are a lot reasonably large estates, farms, and some FC land with people who either own or lease the various sporting rights. Only where land is owned outright by the users is the perennial use for shooting guaranteed. We’ve seen prominent cases recently of long-established driven shoots losing their access to land owned for example by the National Trust, not necessarily because they’re fundamentally hostile to shooting, but because it’s a minority pursuit and arguably was in the way of how most users wished to access the area. At the other end of the scale, my wildfowling club lost the roughshooting lease in an FC wood just because a couple of regular dog walkers vociferously complained about shooting, despite there being no dangerous behaviour or anything of the sort, which the FC confirmed. It’s just that the land had to be shared with dog walkers, cyclists, etc. and that in this case, shooters turned out not to fit on. Finally, here in the South-East, the way in which access to the foreshore for wildfowling (the closest thing there is to the UK to public land for hunting) could be removed if Boris Johnson were to put an airport in the middle of the Thames Estuary. Other and greater interests can easily supersede shooting if access and use is controlled by another party.

    Because of the structure of land ownership, there’s every chance that the use of land for high-cost commercial driven shooting is economically sustainable, but this would cement shooting’s image as an elitist pursuit. Some time ago, I think John Swift at the BASC (maybe someone else, correct me if I’m wrong) said that there had never been as much shooting available as now for those who can afford it. That isn’t good enough. Fieldsports need grassroots support and guaranteed accessibility for those with normal-depth pockets (including kids, who have no money and not much ability to travel under their own steam) for social and political sustainability. Now BASC is an organisation with its’ roots in wildfowling, but most of its’ members are not wildfowlers. Nevertheless, BASC should understand that the continued provision of places to shoot is essential to maintaining the reason for its’ existence. It sits on something like 5m in cash which could be better used to start a programme of strategic land purchasing. In turn, land ownership confers financial and political clout, to the benefit of all shooters.

    It’s a long term strategy and it will be some years before it pays dividends, but it’s an existential matter. BASC does great work, but isn’t powerful enough in this respect to stand up to the likes of the RSPB and the NT. There’s also no reason at all why all can’t use the same land and rub along just fine. It’s just easier to make that happen if its’ yours.

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    Welcome to the site, I hope I'm right in thinking you have not joined just as a vote gaining exercise.

    A clever man knows his strengths, a wise man knows his weaknesses

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAYB View Post
    Welcome to the site, I hope I'm right in thinking you have not joined just as a vote gaining exercise.

    Well, yes and no John. Of course, in the short term I want to draw the attention of people who use this forum to my candidacy. But in the long term I see forums like this as a way of both learning and communicating. PineMarten's points, above, made for very informative reading, and I have no doubt that listening to views like that will enable me to better present the opinions of grass-roots members at council (if I get there!)

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