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    Jelen Advanced deer management

    I have just completed the Jelen Advanced Deer Management Course and would highly recommend this course if anyone was thinking of doing it. It was three long days but the course material, training and facilities were all excellent and presented by some very knowledgeable people who were all happy to share their experiences, both good and bad, I also learned a great deal from the other people attending the course who ranged from numptie (me) to a number of deer management professionals. All in all a great three days and I would like to thank all the team at Jelen and all the other guys, and gal, on the course.

    All the best,

    Martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by defender View Post
    I have just completed the Jelen Advanced Deer Management Course and would highly recommend this course if anyone was thinking of doing it. It was three long days but the course material, training and facilities were all excellent and presented by some very knowledgeable people who were all happy to share their experiences, both good and bad, I also learned a great deal from the other people attending the course who ranged from numptie (me) to a number of deer management professionals. All in all a great three days and I would like to thank all the team at Jelen and all the other guys, and gal, on the course.

    All the best,

    Martin
    Who were the instructors? And what were their backgrounds?

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    "Who were the instructors? And what were their backgrounds?"

    Yes that would be interesting to know as three days is a rather short time to get across and take in all that is required to reach the standard of 'Advanced Stalker'
    I was also under the impression that the old Advanced Stalker course was now called the 'Deer Managers' course !

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    I attended the same course. I too thought it was excellent. The course was lead by Mike Allison, director of Jelen Deer. Mike has 30 plus years experience in the deer management industry. He had guest speakers who were experts in their field: Dominic, a woodland manager and Paul who is head park manager at Hampton Court.

    The course covered key subjects such as the impact of deer on biodiversity, population modelling, methods of protecting woodland, population estimation, impact assessment, writing a management plan, culling to achieve specific objectives, ageing deer on the hoof and post mortem using teeth growth, managing park deer, diseases in deer, deer farming and live capture. There was a field trip Led by Dominic and Peter, a woodland manager on a large local estate, where we were shown damage caused by deer. Finally, there was a marksmanship test and an exam.

    I learned a massive amount over the last three days and my head is still buzzing. The training environment was really friendly and the delegates were a pleasure to be around. If you want to learn about deer and deer management then I highly recommend Jelen Deer's Advanced Deer Management course.

    ATB

    Barry.
    Last edited by Shropshire Lad; 26-03-2013 at 18:30.

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    I also attended this course, not only was it very intense (positively) but also very enjoyable. The lecturers were clealy knowledgeable and it was great to meet those who are currently managing well known estates and support this scheme.

    Just to add; there are 14 home study assessments that count towards the final exam. So a lot of home study and research prior to turning up. It certainly isn't a turn up and pass course...

    I would highly recommend this course to anyone, experienced or not loads to learn, especially in all three fields; wild, park and farm...

    Ben

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    Out of interest, did the shooting test follow the same format as that used on the BDS Deer Managers course? And, if so, did everyone pass?

    9 shots:


    Shot 1 - 150m - optional, prone or high seat
    Shot 2 - 150m - optional, prone or high seat
    Shot 3 - 100m - high seat
    Shot 4 - 100m - Sitting or Kneeling using fencepost for support
    Shot 5 - 100m - Any position, not using fencepost (any normal stalking aids permitted)
    Shot 6 - 75m - From standing position, rifle held in one hand facing forwards, safety catch applied. When commanded you have 15 seconds to take shot from the kneeling/sitting position (sticks or bipods permitted).
    Shot 7 - 75m - From standing position, rifle held in one hand facing forwards, safety catch applied. On command you have 15 seconds to take 2 steps forward and take the shot using the fencepost for support from the kneeling/sitting position (sticks or bipods permitted).
    Shot 8&9 - 50m - 2 rapid shots. Rifle held in one hand facing forwards, safety catch applied. On command you have 20 seconds to take 2 shots from any position except prone (sticks or bipods permitted).


    The target is a black score ring on a black target - see the BDS website for the roe silhouette.

    Your rifle must be zeroed beforehand - no sighting shots allowed.

    You are allowed two attempts as follows. If you fail the 150m shots you can have a second attempt to pass. If you don't pass the 150m shots you can't progress further. If you need a second attempt to pass the 150m shots you are only allowed one attempt at the 100m-50m. If you passed the 150m shots the first time you are allowed 2 attempts (if necessary) at the 100m-50m shots

    To give an idea, on my course out of 12 students who attempted the shooting test (there were 4 or 5 who chose not to take it), only 4 passed first time without the need for a re-attempt. 2 failed the shooting test.

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    It was a bit simpler than that. Silhouette targets out to 150m. Killing shots required. One head shot required on a target of the RO's choice with a follow-up killing shot within five seconds. I don't know how many passed the shooting other than I did.

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    How many were on the course and how many passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shropshire Lad View Post
    It was a bit simpler than that. Silhouette targets out to 150m. Killing shots required. One head shot required on a target of the RO's choice with a follow-up killing shot within five seconds. I don't know how many passed the shooting other than I did.
    Thanks for that, interesting to know.

    Although personally I don't take head shots I've seen them used very effectively, particularly on park deer. I like the idea of the rapid follow-up shot as well - that's a nice variation to include.

    Would be good to see the full spec for the shooting test at some point - maybe to use for practice elsewhere.

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    12. I don't know how many passed because we haven't been told. The papers have got to be marked and sent off to be validated.

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