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Thread: Lee Deluxe .222rem seater won't seat Amax deep enough!!

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    Lee Deluxe .222rem seater won't seat Amax deep enough!!

    the shell holder is bottoming out
    the top is screwed in as far as I can get it

    still only getting 55.40mm tip to Head.
    They work OK but that is over recommended OAL and very close to the front of the magazine

    also gives me no leeway to mess around with depths with this die

    Works fine with Softpoints (wider more rounded Ogive)

    Am I missing something?
    surely seating dies should have a wider range to accomodate all sorts of ogive profiles and depths

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    I had the same with 50 grain V-max in .222 with that die.

    Neil.

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    Grind off a bit of the bottom of the die with a belt sander or a grinding wheel. I've done it to correct such things.~Muir

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    ah, very simple
    Why didnt I think of that!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewsher500 View Post
    the shell holder is bottoming out
    the top is screwed in as far as I can get it

    still only getting 55.40mm tip to Head.
    They work OK but that is over recommended OAL and very close to the front of the magazine

    also gives me no leeway to mess around with depths with this die

    Works fine with Softpoints (wider more rounded Ogive)

    Am I missing something?
    surely seating dies should have a wider range to accomodate all sorts of ogive profiles and depths
    Not sure what you mean here. If the shell holder is "bottoming out" (touching?) the Lee .222 seating die then surely the case neck will be contacting the crimp ring, and applying a (very) severe crimp. There has to be several millimetres of daylight between both faces to avoid the die 'roll crimp' setting. I can't imagine anyone missing this effect.

    Reducing the length of the die by grinding off the base will only make matters worse by shortening the inward case travel (in fact lowering the crimp ring). You need either (A) a different seating nose punch with a shorter contact face distance OR (B) to modify the existing one to achieve this by 'stuffing something up it' - if you get my meaning.

    The length you've quoted isn't excessively long for an A-Max in .222 so the rifle must have a short magazine. The standard .222 throat will clear rounds of this length easily.
    If I'm going to be accused of it then it's just as well I did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinistral View Post
    Not sure what you mean here. If the shell holder is "bottoming out" (touching?) the Lee .222 seating die then surely the case neck will be contacting the crimp ring, and applying a (very) severe crimp. There has to be several millimetres of daylight between both faces to avoid the die 'roll crimp' setting. I can't imagine anyone missing this effect.

    Reducing the length of the die by grinding off the base will only make matters worse by shortening the inward case travel (in fact lowering the crimp ring). You need either (A) a different seating nose punch with a shorter contact face distance OR (B) to modify the existing one to achieve this by 'stuffing something up it' - if you get my meaning.

    The length you've quoted isn't excessively long for an A-Max in .222 so the rifle must have a short magazine. The standard .222 throat will clear rounds of this length easily.
    Does the seater in the Deluxe set crimp?? Never looked.~Muir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muir View Post
    Grind off a bit of the bottom of the die with a belt sander or a grinding wheel. I've done it to correct such things.~Muir
    could always cut it in half to use as a paper weight then buy a good seating die

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muir View Post
    Does the seater in the Deluxe set crimp?? Never looked.~Muir
    Mine did, which is why grinding the die down won't work, it will just crimp before reaching the required seating depth.
    As a temp I just filled the hole in the end of the steel pusher pin with filler and redrilled a shallower hole.
    ​The best fix is a new steel insert, or a different make die, not sure if Lee can help,must be worth an e-mail ?

    Neil.

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    No crimp on the Deluxe seater, they have a slot in the box for the seperate collet crimp die (which I have)

    Without the shell holder and the seater the case will go right in up to the centre of the extractor groove
    Without the shell holder but with the seater pin it only goes in about 1.5mm less on the current minimum OAL seating I can achieve with the shell in the shell holder

    (which in simple terms means the shell holder is resticting the depth I can seat by at least 1.5mm)

    It is just the profile of the A Max vs the profile of the seater pin.
    Works fine with soft points.

    55.5mm is max length for the BRNO Mod2 magazine (tip to head), they are quite short

    Filling the pin with something and reprofiling sounds like a ballache.
    shortening the pin would not help as any shorter the tip of the AMax would bottom out and I would not be pressing in on the ogive.

    taking the bottom 1-2mm off the die seems straight foward as perpendicular mating surface and structural integrity are of no significance in a non resizing or non-crimp die

    already ground off about a mm and polished it up, will test and see if it is enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewsher500 View Post
    Filling the pin with something and reprofiling sounds like a ballache.
    shortening the pin would not help as any shorter the tip of the AMax would bottom out and I would not be pressing in on the ogive.
    You need the seater pin to be longer, not shorter. Easiest way is to drop a small ball bearing or other spacer inside the ally adjuster knob before the pin. This also helps the pin float better, for self-centreing.

    If the profile of the seater is also not suitable for your bullet, use a tiny bit of epoxy putty to fill it, lubricate bullet and die well then push the round into the soft putty and let it set. A little bit of cleanup and you have a perfectly profiled seater.

    I had to do this to seat roundnose cast lead bullets in .223. The standard seater profile was cutting a circular groove around the bullet nose.

    Replacement pins are pennies from Lee, you can have a perfectly profiled one for each bullet to eliminate any chance of damage to nose etc.

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