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    Could someone help me out with deer breed info

    Hi all , one for the Americans and Aussies
    compared to our uk deer how big is a us white tail deer , and a us elk ?
    And an Australian wapiti ?
    ​Thanks lads

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    Not absolutely certain but I believe a whitetail is roughly of similar size to a roe or slightly larger. A U.S. elk is the equivalent size of a forest red deer I think and an Australian Wapiti is slightly larger than a red deer.

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    Whitetails differ depending on area. Generally fallow size, but bigger further North (Canada etc) and much smaller as you move south (Coues deer) to central America. In some parts of the eastern USA they are small because of high deer densities and lack of feeding. Elk are considerably bigger than red deer, but like reds there are several subspecies that vary in size, with (I think) the Tule elk in California the smallest. There are no Australian wapiti, those in New Zealand are Roosevelt Elk from the USA which have gradually interbred with red deer, making them smaller in size, but actual size depending on the degree of hybridisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dama View Post
    Whitetails differ depending on area. Generally fallow size, but bigger further North (Canada etc) and much smaller as you move south (Coues deer) to central America. In some parts of the eastern USA they are small because of high deer densities and lack of feeding. Elk are considerably bigger than red deer, but like reds there are several subspecies that vary in size, with (I think) the Tule elk in California the smallest. There are no Australian wapiti, those in New Zealand are Roosevelt Elk from the USA which have gradually interbred with red deer, making them smaller in size, but actual size depending on the degree of hybridisation.
    Dama's nailed it.

    Would love to hunt a Coues whitetail, my friend hunted them in New Mexico.

    I'm heading to Finland for whitetail this year.

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    According to info on Google as below.

    Whitetail :- Adult male, average summer weight 68 Kg [ 130-180 pounds.]

    US Elk. [Wapiti.] :- 147-499 Kg [ 325-1100 pounds.]

    HWH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acm View Post
    Hi all , one for the Americans and Aussies
    compared to our uk deer how big is a us white tail deer , and a us elk ?
    And an Australian wapiti ?
    ​Thanks lads
    Well if your a splitter you'll say there is 38 subspecies of whitetail in the Americas, If your a lumper you'd still agree on at least 16. The Dakota bucks have the potential to equal a Scottish red stag, 150kg, but the average would equal your "English park fallow" in size, around 80kg.

    Most folks would agree on 4 subspecies of Wapiti (elk) in Nth America with the really big boys reaching 500kgs.

    No deer are indigenious to Australia.
    Including those in zoos, all elk/ wapiti in Aust could be counted on your fingers untill the 80's when the deer Farming industry imported pure animals, embryo's & semen from Nth America. We also imported "NZ wapiti" (not indigenous there either) which effectively were a 50/50 cross with red deer.

    In this part of the world we now use the term wapiti for the Kiwi style of animal, this includes recent crosses between pure wapiti/elk & red deer. The name "elk" although incorrect to Europeans is reserved for pure canadanesis which have no European red or sika bood.

    These are to be found free range now as our deer industry hit the bottom of the bell curve about 10 years ago & deer lost value for a time. In fact one of my neighbours with about 40 000 acres in his block has just discovered a mob of 40 plus elk/red crosses (wapiti) in his place. The stags/bulls here would be about 350kgs live weight & typical of what Kiwi had a few decades ago before the reds swamped the genetics.

    We have at least 5 different subspecies of red deer in Aust including elk & sika,not to mention the multitude of crosses. Body weight can range from 140 kg in a Brisbane Valley red, to 500 kg for the pure Canadian boys.

    Cheers Sharkey

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    In Finland whitetail calves are about the size of an adult roe deer in the beginning of hunting season (September). Adult whitetails can reach live weight over 100kg.

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