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Thread: BASC welcomes police intent to remove unnecessary FAC conditions

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    BASC welcomes police intent to remove unnecessary FAC conditions

    New guidance to police forces to remove unnecessary conditions on the use of lawful firearms has been welcomed by the UK's largest shooting organisation, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC).Andy Marsh, Chief Constable of Hampshire and the lead in firearms licensing issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has sent new guidance to English & Welsh police forces about the use of conditions on firearm certificates.
    Currently some police forces in England and Wales restrict licensed firearms to specific quarry. Under these conditions someone authorised to use a large calibre rifle for shooting deer could break the law if they shoot a fox. Chief Constable Marsh has suggested that forces allow certificate holders to shoot any lawful quarry on land where they are authorised to shoot.
    Chief Constable Marsh has also advised police forces to re-examine conditions which can require a certificate holder to be accompanied by a mentor during shooting trips. He recommends that training courses offered by organisations such as BASC would be a better solution if an applicant needs more experience.
    Mike Eveleigh, senior firearms officer at BASC said: “One of the most common complaints that we deal with on behalf of our members is difficulties with conditions on firearm certificates. We have been negotiating for years to get unnecessary, bureaucratic and unenforceable conditions removed. This is a common-sense and helpful move by Chief Constable Marsh and his staff."
    BASC members who believe they have unnecessary conditions on their firearm certificate are advised to contact the BASC firearms department on 01244 573010 for advice.

    To see this press release on the BASC website: http://bit.ly/16Okv8M


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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Clarke View Post
    New guidance to police forces to remove unnecessary conditions on the use of lawful firearms has been welcomed by the UK's largest shooting organisation, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC).Andy Marsh, Chief Constable of Hampshire and the lead in firearms licensing issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has sent new guidance to English & Welsh police forces about the use of conditions on firearm certificates.
    Currently some police forces in England and Wales restrict licensed firearms to specific quarry. Under these conditions someone authorised to use a large calibre rifle for shooting deer could break the law if they shoot a fox. Chief Constable Marsh has suggested that forces allow certificate holders to shoot any lawful quarry on land where they are authorised to shoot.
    Chief Constable Marsh has also advised police forces to re-examine conditions which can require a certificate holder to be accompanied by a mentor during shooting trips. He recommends that training courses offered by organisations such as BASC would be a better solution if an applicant needs more experience.
    Mike Eveleigh, senior firearms officer at BASC said: “One of the most common complaints that we deal with on behalf of our members is difficulties with conditions on firearm certificates. We have been negotiating for years to get unnecessary, bureaucratic and unenforceable conditions removed. This is a common-sense and helpful move by Chief Constable Marsh and his staff."
    BASC members who believe they have unnecessary conditions on their firearm certificate are advised to contact the BASC firearms department on 01244 573010 for advice.

    To see this press release on the BASC website: http://bit.ly/16Okv8M

    We need to be careful ,removal of useless conditions is a good move but we don't want dsc1-2 applied instead .


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    Is this the first step towards mandatory training, which BASC has in the past stated they do not support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieT View Post
    Is this the first step towards mandatory training, which BASC has in the past stated they do not support.
    Oh come on, give the guys some credit where it's due! Besides, would you rather have a clear training programme run by shooting organisations with no-quibble criteria, or a hodgepodge of random restrictions applied for obscure reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterford103 View Post
    We need to be careful ,removal of useless conditions is a good move but we don't want dsc1-2 applied instead .

    +1 Jimbo

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    You won't though Pine Martin till any of the departments actually take any notice, this is just a jolly little meeting to justify a bit of lunch and make some suggestions. AOLQ has been suggested before and those that don't like it just ignore it, as for the training well should be good for business as long as you don't end up with mentors and training being required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieT View Post
    Is this the first step towards mandatory training, which BASC has in the past stated they do not support.

    Good question.

    Jimbo

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    A welcome statement from BASC and out of 6 replies so far only one has been positive, that's becoming a bit too typical....
    It would seem some folk are just resolutely negative about BASC and/or DSC1 or 2
    I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, but it was only some fecker with a torch bringing me more work

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    We believe this is a big step in the right direction.

    BASC remains all for self-regulation and against mandatory testing as does her majesty’s government and BASC’s elected Council have made their decision on this and I see no prospect of change on this stance, and I trust all the shooting community will join us in that position.

    Should any BASC member applicants be directed to training courses without justification or where other suitable evidence of experience is being ignored by chief officers; we will continue to work with Mr Marsh’s office to ensure this behaviour is nipped in the bud.

    In essence there should only be a need to undertake further training (formal or otherwise) where the applicant lacks any experience in handling a rifle that the chief officer is minded to refuse the certificate or variation because of the perceived risk to public safety.

    David

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    Have had first hand experience of this; sent my FAC into Hants Police for a variation and at the same time asked them to remove a variety of conditions that have accumulated over time and replace with nice clean sensible 'consolidated' ones as per ACPO FELWG letter from last year; FAC was returned three days later all nice and tidy, exactly as I had asked.

    A real joy compared to the response and time taken when I have had renewals or variations in the past.

    Credit where credit is due I say.

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