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    Deceased friend's shotguns


    After not seeing an elderly friend and neighbour for a couple of days, my father and I unfortunately found he had passed away at home within the above timeframe - fortunately peacefully and in his bed by the way we found him.

    After the necessary medical visits the police attended as is compulsary, and I informed them of the whereabouts of my friend's gun cabinet. I also notified them of additional "off ticket" shotguns he'd told me about just recently, and their location on the premises. They were grateful, commenting that it's a common occurence amongst the older generation.

    They've said I can enter the "on ticket" guns on my certificate whilst his affairs are put in order, but have recommended the "off ticket" guns be destroyed.

    My questions:
    Is the destruction of his "off ticket" shotguns a legal requirement?
    Can they not be entered on my certificate somehow too?
    If so, how would I go about arranging this?

    Thanks for any advice.

    RIP old friend, keep your powder dry....

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    Easiest way to get the unlicensed guns onto your SGC would be for them to be handed to a friendly RFD who would then book them into his register before transferring them to your SGC.

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    I don't see any reason why the "off ticket" guns can't also be put on ticket. This is what happened when a number of firearms were discovered after a friend of mine passed away suddenly some years back. The police may however want to examine them first to ensure that they are legal and haven't been involved in crime or have been obtained as a result of a theft at some time.

    P.S. You will need to discuss this with his executors.
    Last edited by 8x57; 07-06-2013 at 23:12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 20-250 View Post
    Easiest way to get the unlicensed guns onto your SGC would be for them to be handed to a friendly RFD who would then book them into his register before transferring them to your SGC.
    I've seen that done a couple of times

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    Thanks very much for your replies.

    I'm due to meet the police regarding the "on ticket" guns in the morning, so will discuss this with them then. At least now I know where I stand.

    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post
    P.S. You will need to discuss this with his executors.
    Good advice thanks. My mother is his executor, so i'll clarify this with her also.

    I'm unsure what'll happen to his guns in the longer term as he has little left in the way of family. At least this way they'll be safe for now.

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    All his shot guns form part of his estate and all will have some value.

    It is illegal for the police to mandate that his "off ticket" guns be destroyed. Indeed even if the police take possession of them you should refuse to sign any authority to "allow" their destruction...instead saying that you wish them to be held for collection by an authorised RFD or authorised auction house and then sold for the benefit of the estate.

    The police can require that they take custody of his guns. They cannot require that you sign a consent to their destruction.

    There is also, I belive, no requirement that acquiring a shot gun has to be from the cohort of shot guns held on a Shot Gun Certificate of by an RFD. That is to say you coud enter the acquisition of his "off ticket" shot guns on your SGC with the name of whom they were acquired from being the aforesaid dead gentkeman and under the note for THEIR authority to possess the word "NONE".

    If a member of BASC I'd seek their advice. It may be that in fact the "off ticket" guns are in fact worth so little that an RFD or auction house won't be interested in them as a saleable asset. They may be out of proof or of so low grade that the auction house may even decline them!

    OTOH the "off tciket" guns may be, as were once handed in in the 1968 Amnesty in my police area...a cased pair of Churchill XXV sidelock ejectors. Now they will be worth money and to allow them to be surrendered for destruction will place the executors in breach of their duty to realise the FULL ASSETS of the estate for the benefit of the beneficiaries of the will.

    It is therefore NOT an issue of sentimentality about some odd old shot guns but, in fact, an issue of complying with the duty of the executors to realise the best value form the estate. Think of it as that...for that is no more nor less than what it is.

    Now the reality may be that the "off ticket" guns are of so little value or indeed no real value that the best option is to AFTER APPRAISAL BY A COMPETENT VALUER OF SHOT GUNS to allow the police to then destroy them. But until they have been so appraised then you should not sign any consent for such destruction.

    Indeed even the "on ticket" guns may be also out of proof or of little value!
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 08-06-2013 at 00:31.

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    When a friend of mine passed away my FEO added them to my license, with the approval of the executor.


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    this happened to me some years ago, my grandad died and we found his old shotgun, we new he had one which he got rid off but we didn't know he had another which had never been on registered, and it turned out to be a section 1 to.
    I contacted the FLO, which was Staffordshire at the time, and all they said to me, are you taking ownership, do you think its been used in any crime, and do you have a slot on your FAC.
    I did have a slot and all they asked me to was give the serial number and gun details. They explained to me that this is actually a common.
    but this was about 8 years ago, it may be worth calling BASC for there advice
    sorry for your lose,

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    Remember to get them checked out to see if they are still in proof if you intend to use them, lots of older guns are in very poor condition.

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    I concur with the good advice / opinion shared by those above.

    I will throw in a word of caution....

    You will have to ensure your overall collection of firearms doesn't exceed the maximum allowed under the standard terms of security. In our area the maximum number was 9 weapons (don't quote me on the actual amount as its been some time since that figure was quoted and may have changed). Numbers above MAY require additional security (Alarm system etc).

    Obviously the above may not apply to your circumstances (total guns held) but worth consideration just to keep yourself right.

    He is grateful that he had friends like you who were looking out for him...many pass away undetected for weeks / months, a sad but true fact of life

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