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Thread: Certificate fees: a fair price for a fair service. BASC statement.

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    Certificate fees: a fair price for a fair service. BASC statement.

    Certificate fees: a fair price for a fair service. Firearm and shotgun certificate holders and applicants should pay a fair price for a fair service, according to the UKs largest shooting organisation, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC). The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has submitted a proposal to the Government to increase certificate fees from 50 to 94. The last revision of fees took place in 2001. BASC recognises that some costs will have increased but believes there are still efficiency savings and service improvements which can be made by the police, some with no cost attached. BASC also recognises that Chief Constable Andy Marsh, the ACPO lead on firearms licensing is committing time, effort and resources to make improvements. However, the licensing system is currently patchy at best, with significant differences in delivery across different police forces and long delays in some areas. Bill Harriman, BASC director of firearms said: BASCs specialist firearms team handles more than 500 calls every month from people who are trying to negotiate their way through the system. This puts us in a unique position to be able to assess how firearms licensing is operating across the UK. Service delivery is inconsistent. Some police forces produce long and unacceptable delays in the process. We are seeing improvements in some areas, but not in all. The police have official Home Office guidance which should be setting consistent standards, but our experience shows that in practice, this is far from the case. Certificate holders should pay a fair price for a fair service and BASC wishes to see that fair service put in place. Neither certificate holders nor the taxpayer should have to pay for inefficiency. BASC is talking to the police and to the Government and discussions are on-going.

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    Fair price for a fair service sounds like a good idea, and an increase from 50 to 94 does sound very fair considering how long they have been at 50

    I did read somewhere that the true cost to the police is around 250 per certificate and allowing that some of that
    ​cost may be met by our council tax which pays for the police, I still think 94 sounds very fair.

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    What are the proposed costs of a variation likely to be?

    Of course not all variations are the same, a new FAC holder putting in a variation is likely to take a long time and require a FEO visit but an experienced firearms holder it is just proving the need on paper and often does not involve a visit from an FEO....

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    i would rather pay more for my certificate and variations if the time it takes them to process variations and condition changes etc was reduced accordingley. at the moment down here you have to wair arounf 4-6 weeks for a 1to1 variation.

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    Totally agree with all the above.
    I'm actually relieved that the price quoted is not as high as I first feared but I do think that the service has got to be improved in some areas.
    Does anyone know if there will still be the usual reductions for co-terminus certificates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalker.308 View Post
    What are the proposed costs of a variation likely to be?

    Of course not all variations are the same, a new FAC holder putting in a variation is likely to take a long time and require a FEO visit but an experienced firearms holder it is just proving the need on paper and often does not involve a visit from an FEO....
    That brings in subjectivity yet again and would cause more delays. How do you define an 'experienced' FAC holder - one who has held FAC for 5 years and used it once a year or held for 1 year and used very week, and all combinations in between?

    Consistency is required across the board and across all licensing authorities to elliminate the above. I have dealt with Norfolk Firearms and Grampian Firearms and have nothing but praise in terms of efficiency, courtesey and timeliness. I would happily pay more for that service.

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    Still very good value for money.

    Personally I fear consistency as North Yorkshire Police seem very good, fairly quick and treat us shooters as grownups. If we were all treated the same I fear we would all fall to the lowest common denominator rather than the best, most efficient service.

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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    Bedfordshire police worked out their costs and put them forward as parliamentary evidence:


    http://www.publications.parliament.u...47/447vw02.htm

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    Some quite shocking figures there!
    I do rather object to some of the statistics(its costs x pence per day) as this sounds like we are getting something for nothing.
    It would be interesting to see what a driving license works out at too or would that be too negative for their argument? And don't forget in the wrong hands they are a dangerous weapon,vehicles have more impact on the enviroment and I don't have to justify my need for a driving license every 5 years.
    With the prices quoted I hope that the 90-ish figure is considered adequate and they settle around that figure if the price needs to rise.

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    I don't think 150 is an unreasonable amount for a FAC. I do think 25 is a lot for a 1 for 1 variation, for 10 seconds of typing and re-printing a cert.

    Section 161 of the Highways Act 1980 (England & Wales) makes it an offence to discharge a firearm within 50 ft of the centre of a highway with vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse, if as a result a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered.

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