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    Field sports PR

    So why is the shooting, stalking world not better at PR and putting across their case?

    If small anti groups have such great sway in the media why not us.

    There must be media savvy people in our midst that can put forward the case for field sports.

    ​Or have we no case to put forward for our sport?

    Take the CLA game fair, the show case for field sports and one of the biggest shows in Europe. How many non-shooting, stalking people ever get to hear about it?

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    cos we love to keep our heads down

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul o' View Post
    cos we love to keep our heads down
    Or bury our heads in the sand

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    Because we don't have an organisation like the American NRA, or a second amendment for that matter

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    Its not that we don't play the PR game, we play the wrong PR game!

    PR is Public Relations, not ****ing Press relations - and we spend all our time speaking to them, and when we do it we do it wrong, every bloody time we put up a spokesperson with a former rank and/or a double barreled name! Way to go on how to connect with the man in the street!


    We need to learn which fights we can win, and fight them - we can argue till we're blue in the face on what we believe to be true, but we fail to back it up with data (with the exception of GWCT, stirling work from them on scientific research) and we need to know where to play the long game

    Where we have problems with raptors, as with the buzzards the other week, we need to call for relocation rather than control, because we're just not going to win the argument - I also recall James Marchington leading the campaign for a 'raptor friendly' accreditation scheme for shoots, how many signed up for it?

    we've got the same argument in our own garden - really we could play the DSC as a fantastic PR tool - we're 'qualified, highly trained professional deerstalkers' dontchaknow!

    The other week I was at the Lord Roberts entre at bisley - the NSRA had put out an offer via groupon giving people introductory shooting lessons for, I think it was 25 quid - fan bloody tactic, 6 new people who had never done the sport before coming in interested and leaving utterley stoked about shooting being safe and fun , and going away telling other people about it and talking about it - bloody great stuff, thats the type of thing that changes attitudes - less press, more direct impact speaking to the public, look at the country fairs that have all gone over from real shooting to shitty laser pigeon, ridiculous! and when we do have events we charge people silly money (clay shoots costing a quid a shot, bisley live pound a shot plus entry and registration fee - the ammo would have cost pennies, drop the rest of the fees because you're doing something to bring people into the sport!)

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    Think we have to look at it not entirely critically - we are quite a bunch of individuals and that individuality is very much a part of what and who we are - long may it be so.

    Flip side is trying to get common agreement or even rally concerted action is a near impossibility.

    Have a read of the US NRA website - yes they fight - but at the heart of that are a membership who will join the fight as and when asked. The style is not really suited to the UK outlook, mentality or society, so I oppose any suggestion of a UK NRA 'branch' - and understand I was a US NRA member for many years!

    We need to be better at things in our own way. I genuinely believe BASC is on the right track, but needs a better focussed train. But I can understand the BASC conundrum - members/ shooters are frequently their own enemy.

    The BASC Media centre was a great idea and huge step in the right direction. They perhaps could be more proactive with it. But for the most part shooters have largely just slagged them for putting up flash buildings!

    No association, no matter who it is, is going to make head way until we each as individuals are prepared to stand by some common causes/ aims - even if they are not dead on exact in accord with our own particular wish list.

    From that unity of person comes a unity of cause. From that stems cogent action and therein lays the key to turning the tide of public perception.

    I really am not trying to rabble rouse or get 'heavy'. But I have to say - having been a true life long shooter and now a professional -blessed to be able to do what I love - that my feeling is we just wont ever be prepared to pull together in the way needed. That the internal bun fights will rage on until it is simply too late.
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    Great response "Labrat" but there's just one problem we need to change our attitude before we are in a position to change others even celebs who shoot & hunt hide it if possible or play it down for fear of the press and public opinion & that needs to change first we need to start standing up publicly without apology before we will appear credible instead of keeping our heads down, I take my guns on public transport and talk to any that will listen anti included not hide it in a rucksack and keep quiet and see no reason why I should in a gunship or case that is obvious what I have as this often sparks a comment & thus a conversation which has ended positively most times even with ANTI's sometimes, I refuse to apologise for what I do and untill we all do this & publicly we are on a looser in the PR game and our organisations need to do the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Labrat View Post
    Its not that we don't play the PR game, we play the wrong PR game!

    PR is Public Relations, not ****ing Press relations - and we spend all our time speaking to them, and when we do it we do it wrong, every bloody time we put up a spokesperson with a former rank and/or a double barreled name! Way to go on how to connect with the man in the street!


    We need to learn which fights we can win, and fight them - we can argue till we're blue in the face on what we believe to be true, but we fail to back it up with data (with the exception of GWCT, stirling work from them on scientific research) and we need to know where to play the long game

    Where we have problems with raptors, as with the buzzards the other week, we need to call for relocation rather than control, because we're just not going to win the argument - I also recall James Marchington leading the campaign for a 'raptor friendly' accreditation scheme for shoots, how many signed up for it?

    we've got the same argument in our own garden - really we could play the DSC as a fantastic PR tool - we're 'qualified, highly trained professional deerstalkers' dontchaknow!

    The other week I was at the Lord Roberts entre at bisley - the NSRA had put out an offer via groupon giving people introductory shooting lessons for, I think it was 25 quid - fan bloody tactic, 6 new people who had never done the sport before coming in interested and leaving utterley stoked about shooting being safe and fun , and going away telling other people about it and talking about it - bloody great stuff, thats the type of thing that changes attitudes - less press, more direct impact speaking to the public, look at the country fairs that have all gone over from real shooting to shitty laser pigeon, ridiculous! and when we do have events we charge people silly money (clay shoots costing a quid a shot, bisley live pound a shot plus entry and registration fee - the ammo would have cost pennies, drop the rest of the fees because you're doing something to bring people into the sport!)
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    Very good points raised here, I hate to say it but the biggest threat to shooting is shooters, how many of you know someone who won't join an organisation that fights for shooting or has no insurance for that matter. I'm sick to death of asking people to write to their MP's and getting the reply "whats the point". Apathy will see off shooting before legislation and bureaucracy unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWMMAN3738 View Post
    Great response "Labrat" but there's just one problem we need to change our attitude before we are in a position to change others even celebs who shoot & hunt hide it if possible or play it down for fear of the press and public opinion & that needs to change first we need to start standing up publicly without apology before we will appear credible instead of keeping our heads down, I take my guns on public transport and talk to any that will listen anti included not hide it in a rucksack and keep quiet and see no reason why I should in a gunship or case that is obvious what I have as this often sparks a comment & thus a conversation which has ended positively most times even with ANTI's sometimes, I refuse to apologise for what I do and untill we all do this & publicly we are on a looser in the PR game and our organisations need to do the same.
    Yeah, totally support you - There's a huge importance in standing up to the intimidation and fear of confrontation by the Anti's and being our own ambassadors.

    Funny, I spent over a decade in animal research, out of it now but as sou can guess, the whole anti thing is an area I've got a lot of experience of - in the late nineties were really on the ropes with the Antis, and it was people like Robert Winston standing up in public, but allied with a really proactive defence of the field, and all of us talking to our friends and family that changed things - and they really changed, to the point where the anti's were getting real abuse from the locals on the streets of Harrogate when they turned up.

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    Apologies in advance i've went on a rant! been meaning to start a thread like this for a while see so many small erosions of rules here and there, it really does my head in and t will only get worse

    I think ALL the major orgs should put an extra 5 on subs all going into more an educational fund rather than a fighting fund. WE are in the right the more we get out there and actually educate people the more they see throu the lies and propaganda that others out out.
    They should be going out (or inviting people to clay/shooting ranges) to agri colleges, environmental type uni courses even press courses and educating them, showing them the difference between a shotgun/rifle give them a shot at clays etc, really gettin the pr message across.
    The tabloids are the key as a massive number off people believe the sh*te they print

    In the last 30 years there has been such a polar shift away from the countryside into urban attituides, probably more so than any time in our history, very few boys at school have ferrets now, when i was there there was 6 different lads all with ferets occassionlly fighting over permissions. U only have to go to NZ to see the rural attitude still alive and well where u can walk down the street with a slipped gun and folk would actually wish u luck
    When i was younger and always had a penknife in my pocket as i do now to be honest, but when u see some off the attituides police/press/law makers have to knifes now. Yet u could probably argue more knife crime back in glasgow in the 60's and 70's with all the old razor gangs, yet it is now they have banned them

    I know a couple off people who work at local agri college that used to be full of farmers sons wrecking the college tractors, now it's all animal health courses and a lot off the students are pretty anti country sports and that's an agri college ffs!!

    U won't believe it the way i write now but i actually went to uni and studied conservation management for 4 years, out off the 70 or so students in my year in the Environmental studies dept only met 1 other who fished, i was only 1 who shot, out off the other 7 who specialised in conservation 2 were raging sab's,3 vegie's and the other 2 didn't really care either way about country sports but mildly anti. Which is fair enough everyone is entitled to there opinion.
    But these people are going on to carry out studies and write legislation etc, Anti shooting/killing and the common belief that predators have no impact on there prey populationsis gettin more and more ingrained in the uk academic society, and then they teach that to the next generation. U only have to look at the uproar over raptor licences and badger culling , when any fool who actually lives and works in the countryside can see predator numbers cannot carry on to grow unchecked.
    In 4 years at uni the GWCT was never mentioned despite it carrying out the most thorough scientific studies as they still are and on the fore front of new conservation ideas wether from gome crops to now modifying/refining the concept for nesting, brood rearing, insect rich crops, bettle banks to name a few
    There is so much bad science coming out off this country relating to conservation and shooting sports it's unreal, some of the techniques and design are massively flawed from the outset

    Half the topics on this site would never have been posted 20 years ago or appear on European NZ or American hunting forums, the readers must read the threads and think thank f**k they don't live here, forgetting u have a knife on ur belt/pocket when coming back from stalking, who cares no big deal. It's all a lack of conmmon sense or understanding but it will only get worse

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