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    .308 Variation advice please

    Hello guys,
    Ok so to set the scene, I'm a full time gamekeeper and have been my whole working life, I've had an open FAC for fifteen years and a deer caliber (.243) slot for 10years. I'm required to shoot deer as part if my job and also do so recreationally. I've got game meat hygiene certificates and a DSC equivalent qualification (Deer management unit of level 3 countryside management diploma year one of which was based on dsc level 1).
    I probably shoot in the region of 50-80 deer a year, of which 20 will be Fallow.
    We're going up to shoot some Red this coming season and I've also decided to put NV on my .243 so I've applied for a .308 variation and plan to use it as my main deer rifle.
    I assumed this would just be a paper exercise.
    Just had a call fromTVP saying he wants to come out and have a chat about this as 'you know, .308 is a bigger caliber and all that'.

    Im a bit baffled by this as he really didn't sound like he knew what he was on about on the phone so..
    I want to be able to rebut anything he might use to block my variation so can you guys give me all the facts I need to keep him at bay

    cheers in advance,

    Andrew

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    just explain its part of your job. and that if he puts it on closed ticket it isn't going to work. tell him you understand its a bigger calibre. but its no different to safe shooting with a 243 which you have had for x amount of years on open ticket.

    if you have shooting insurance i would also get onto them if the firearms officers advice isn't what you want to hear on your visit. i am getting a bit pissed off with the constant rules some of these firearms officers are trying to come out with.

    ​at the end of the day you have had your ticket a long time on open ticket its all part of your job and any silly rules are not going to help you in your line of work

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    I was told by a very experienced deer manager that he would not want someone to shoot one of his big fallow bucks or red stags with a .243 as he would have to get after them if shot placement was not right. He told me to get a ..308 or 30.06.

    Also see paragraph 13.29 of Firearms Law - Guidance for the Police.

    13.29
    Suitable calibres for shooting deer range

    from .243 to .45-70. For the larger species of

    deer (Red, Sika and Fallow) .243 calibre is

    legal, but .270 and larger calibres are generally

    more suitable allowing a 130-150 grain bullet

    weight, a muzzle velocity of 2,450 feet per

    second and a muzzle energy of 1,750 foot

    pounds.
    For the smaller deer species (Roe,

    Muntjac and Chinese Water Deer) .243

    calibres are optimal. See paragraph 13.32 for

    information about legislative requirements for

    the shooting of deer in Scotland, which are

    based on the performance of the ammunition

    not the calibre of the rifle.


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    I don't know what he was implying Jay22, just seems odd that he needs to visit at all?
    Surely I've satisfied all the criteria in bucketfuls for having a .308 slot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosshair243 View Post
    Surely I've satisfied all the criteria in bucketfuls for having a .308 slot?
    you have indeed and really if you get any problems then it should be easy to go over his head, the scottish stalking is perfect reason as are the fallow. If you need to add anything just say you have more fallow than ever and you are finding you get more runners than you would like with the .243 it sounds like you have a numpty on the way so really its up to you to educate them as much as anything.

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    "Just had a call fromTVP saying he wants to come out and have a chat about this as 'you know, .308 is a bigger caliber and all that'."

    What a load of cobblers, it's a deer calibre rifle just the same as the .243win. It's no more dangerous and no safer. Where do they get such daft ideas from.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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    TVP had a few `good` FEOs retire in the last few years, and those now in the breach are pretty average to be honest.... I was witness to one visit, where the FEO was more interested in talking about windsurfing, - "as he knew very little about fieldsports"......

    That same FEO refused to allow the wording 7.62 on a .308 variation, to allow for ammo purchases, as it was a bigger calibre.....

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    Andrew
    As the other posters have said you have good reason for the said calibre for shooting of the fallow also request your ticket remain open so you are clear to use it in scotland for reds and sika.
    The only other thing i would clarify is what calibre your ground is cleared for.
    ATB Lee

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEE243 View Post
    Andrew
    As the other posters have said you have good reason for the said calibre for shooting of the fallow also request your ticket remain open so you are clear to use it in scotland for reds and sika.
    The only other thing i would clarify is what calibre your ground is cleared for.
    ATB Lee
    Lee I would rather see that the person be cleared rather than for any specific arbitrary calibre.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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