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    improving traceability of deer carcass

    Do you think in order to try and tackle poaching, the traceability of wild deer carcasses should be stepped up?
    For example, making it mandatory for every stalker supplying the food chain to stamp the inside of the rib-cage with their personal stalker number, then any wild carcass without this is illegal. So, say spot checks could be made on pubs, restaurants, game dealers, etc. and if found with a carcass without a stamp they may be prosecuted? This might help stop pubs buying back-door potentially poached venison, helping legitimate stalkers, and the wild venison market.

    Just a point I am considering for my dissertation, would be interesting to hear some thoughts.
    Thanks.
    Eric

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric parker View Post
    Do you think in order to try and tackle poaching, the traceability of wild deer carcasses should be stepped up?
    For example, making it mandatory for every stalker supplying the food chain to stamp the inside of the rib-cage with their personal stalker number, then any wild carcass without this is illegal. So, say spot checks could be made on pubs, restaurants, game dealers, etc. and if found with a carcass without a stamp they may be prosecuted? This might help stop pubs buying back-door potentially poached venison, helping legitimate stalkers, and the wild venison market.

    Just a point I am considering for my dissertation, would be interesting to hear some thoughts.
    Thanks.
    Eric
    I would think it`s impossible to prove where any carcase came from plus if a stamp falls into the wrong hands everything goes out the window anyway.
    If a pub has two disected carcases in it`s larder how do you prove what part came from which carcase?
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    Well there is a system in place already, which I am sure you are aware of, all carcases must/should be tagged with your personal number, signature, date, where shot, which are to be entered into the public food chain. I use the BDS tags, but then you could and can remove them easily.
    Perhaps a plastic ratchet tag with your number embossed on it that cannot be removed unless cut off might be better, which you pay a very small sum (i.e. 20p that goes into deer management) for and are registered under your name, but then you need game dealers to make sure each carcase is tagged and checked

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    I don't think that whatever steps were taken would make much difference, it would only be the honest legitimate stalkers that would comply at an extra cost to them. IMO you will always get poachers and always get people willing to buy illegal venison at a reduced price.
    The problem is there are not the funds to support more checks on food establishments and the punishment (if caught) is no deterrent to the poacher.
    Wingy

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    Poaching is a problem but in my opinion to cut it down the supply of venison in to the food chain needs to be made easier. That is to say we the stalkers who are fully qualified can supply local retailers. Making sure that the butchers and hotels get the best possible price.

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    The truth about deer, is that the authorities in England don't really give a toss where they come from.
    There is a huge gap in any legislation between supplier and end user and although game dealers may be required to take details of sellers, pubs etc are not.
    The authorities are only interested that you don't get poisoned in its consumption and lets face it that is far more likely to come from bad cooking as opposed to the deer itself.
    I label all my deer that go to the game dealers and they have a food inspector on site. After it is cut up it is then almost untraceable.
    It would not be possible to introduce a system of checks without there being huge expenditure or lumping it onto environmental health inspectors at a local level. Given that at present they will only inspect registered game dealers every 3 years or so then I can't see any stamping system being effective.
    Sadly the only way to stop poaching is to make venison worth less and drive out the scum by making it not worth their while
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    Any and all procedures that are put in place require financing. The current system of only beasts taken and tagged by trained hunters, DSC1, can go into the food chain so there is a system in place. Any further tightening of security will require enforcing which will have a cost, how will that cost be met? It may be that if any restaurant/eating establishment that has venison on the menu is required to maintain a register containing the tag number, obtainable from the game dealer at time of purchase, would be far easier to Police than a stamp on the carcase.

    Difficult one to overcome completely I think.

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    If its just a stamp how long before someone is selling stamps ..every carcass now is supposed to be traceable by the hunter number but what ever you do it only works right if everybody is playing by the rules, unfortunately there are always people wanting everything cheap ,not bothered by how or from where it was got as long as its cheap . Greed is a bad adversary ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by teyhan1 View Post
    I label all my deer that go to the game dealers and they have a food inspector on site. After it is cut up it is then almost untraceable.
    When you buy meat in a supermarket it is traceable all the way back, I would have thought that is the whole point of a hunters number?
    But as we all know, the back door venison trade is difficult to stop, all they need to do is buy a small quantity from a reputable source and provide a receipt, then they can buy from the untrained hunter/poacher and job done.
    Cheers
    Richard

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    Spot checks on gamedealers! How could anybody ever believe gamedealers would act illegally or maybe even lamp their own deer?! And as for knowingly accepting illegally poached deer, well ridiculous!

    Of course opening up the selling of venison by trained/qualified hunters direct to retailers and consumers may help. There's traceability and if e.g. a pub has venison on it's menu they must be in possession of the 'tag' which is in itself traceable giving any inspector the opportunity to trace the produce all the way back to the supplier and landowner where the deer was originally shot (with permission).

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