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    variation (R93 barrel)

    I'm looking for some advice regarding a variation.

    If I want to be able to purchase another barrel for a switch barrel rifle say in.243 what do I need to ask for on the form?

    Am I requesting just a barrel?

    Another thing I was wondering about is in the quarry conditions would it state "the 243 barrel will be used for the lawful shooting of Deer, Fox and Vermin" for example?

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    ATB
    Moses

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    I have had items entered on my FAC along the lines of
    ".22lr rifle barrel"

    Conditioning should be along the lines you laid out above - don't forget zeroing when listing your good reasons. Nice to be able to check sights on any land that is suitable.

    Rgds

    Ian

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    Re: variation (R93 barrel)

    Quote Originally Posted by moses
    I'm looking for some advice regarding a variation.

    Another thing I was wondering about is in the quarry conditions would it state "the 243 barrel will be used for the lawful shooting of Deer, Fox and Vermin" for example?
    All police Firearms Licensing Depts have now been advised that they can use a far more workable and less restrictive condition.

    Here's the detail courtesy of one of our shooting organisations:

    The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group (FELWG) has issued advice that supports Chapter 13.14 & 13.22 of the Home Office guidance. It advised police forces to allow larger calibre rifles to be used to take lesser species i.e. where the primary reason for possession e.g. deer stalking was established, all lesser species such as foxes and pests could then be shot.

    This practice has been commonplace in Scotland for some time, and has not endangered public safety in any way. In June 2009 ACPO FELWG again advised forces of a new condition that can be used in place of the standard condition in Appendix 3 of the Home Office guidance. -


    The (rifle/sound moderator/firearms/ammunition) shall be used for shooting (Named Principal Quarry Species) and any other lawful quarry, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated, and for zeroing on ranges, over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. (Delete italics where appropriate)

    This identifies the primary reason for use e.g. deer/fox control, then allows “other lawful quarry”. Certificate holders are invited to apply for this condition from their local licensing departments.

    Any FAC holder who currently has a mishmash of conditioning with some rifles allowed for deer but not foxes or vermin etc., (this new condition will also cover wild boar by default), might want to consider contacting their local FLO with a view to having it revised.

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    With my Mauser M03 I applied not for an additional barrel but for a rifle.

    The front page of my FAC refers to each calibre as a rifle with the reverse recording additional "rifles" as barrels.

    Should you choose to replace your Blaser in the future with seperate rifles then it's a 1:1 swap.

    Stan

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    Re: variation (R93 barrel)

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion
    Quote Originally Posted by moses
    I'm looking for some advice regarding a variation.

    Another thing I was wondering about is in the quarry conditions would it state "the 243 barrel will be used for the lawful shooting of Deer, Fox and Vermin" for example?
    All police Firearms Licensing Depts have now been advised that they can use a far more workable and less restrictive condition.

    Here's the detail courtesy of one of our shooting organisations:

    The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group (FELWG) has issued advice that supports Chapter 13.14 & 13.22 of the Home Office guidance. It advised police forces to allow larger calibre rifles to be used to take lesser species i.e. where the primary reason for possession e.g. deer stalking was established, all lesser species such as foxes and pests could then be shot.

    This practice has been commonplace in Scotland for some time, and has not endangered public safety in any way. In June 2009 ACPO FELWG again advised forces of a new condition that can be used in place of the standard condition in Appendix 3 of the Home Office guidance. -


    The (rifle/sound moderator/firearms/ammunition) shall be used for shooting (Named Principal Quarry Species) and any other lawful quarry, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated, and for zeroing on ranges, over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. (Delete italics where appropriate)

    This identifies the primary reason for use e.g. deer/fox control, then allows “other lawful quarry”. Certificate holders are invited to apply for this condition from their local licensing departments.

    Any FAC holder who currently has a mishmash of conditioning with some rifles allowed for deer but not foxes or vermin etc., (this new condition will also cover wild boar by default), might want to consider contacting their local FLO with a view to having it revised.
    I applied for this condition to be added to my .270 not so long ago with Met police.

    They came back to me and refused saying that this was a recommendation and not legislation.

    As this is a ACPO recommendation they said they had chosen not to adopt it and would not be doing so in future unless the home office guidance changed.

    They have the home office guidance in a folder laminated and they use this to refer to every request that comes in.

    They simply look through the calibre and quarry table and say yes or no depending on what the almighty guidance folder says.

    I did try and argue the toss of how ridiculous that was, in that using something that is given to you as guidance and, guidance only to refuse any request was nonsense and that each decision should be taken on it's own merit etc.. but, it all gets a bit "computer says no".

    ATB
    Moses

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    Did they give it to you in writing and are you a member of BASC?

    Having 'suffered' under the Met before I realise it might be an uphill struggle, but armed with both you might be able to mount a successful challenge

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    i bought a 308 blaser then swapped my pro hunter .243 for a .243 barrell for the r93.

    the one for one came back with the slot for a .243 rifle, i added the barrell only theng got an additional variation for a .223 rifle.

    the new licence came back with the .243 barrell listed separaetly, and when i tried to buy another stock and bolt to have 2 full blaser setups i couldnt without a variation to have another rifle. you used to be able to but stock and bolts freely but now they need to be listed. my stock and bolt dont even have serial numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion
    Did they give it to you in writing and are you a member of BASC?

    Having 'suffered' under the Met before I realise it might be an uphill struggle, but armed with both you might be able to mount a successful challenge
    There is a challenge in place at the moment and BASC are keeping me informed of the outcome.

    They seem to think it will be favourable as there is a new boss of all the met inspectors and he is totally in favour of adopting the recommendation and is urging all inspectors to do so.

    Based on the outcome of this case I'll be re-submiting my paper work.

    ATB
    Moses

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    Well done that man! Please post the outcome - it might give other's living within the Met area a hope that change is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion
    Well done that man! Please post the outcome - it might give other's living within the Met area a hope that change is coming.

    Change is definitley coming.

    The ACPO recommendation will be added to the home office guidance next year but, it would be nice to have it sorted sooner as I wish to be able to shoot all quarry with one rifle legally.

    ATB
    Moses

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