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    Cast 22 Hornet Bullets

    Anyone here or overseas using cast bullets in their 22 Hornet for thin skinned game such as squirrel or indeed with any other small calibre at significantly reduced loads??

    Cheers

    K

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    Never used cast in a Hornet but I did cast some for a 218 Bee . Had a little Marlin 1894CL leveraction with a 22" barrel . I worked up some loads that were about 1200-1400 FPS with a 55 grain home cast bullet . I never shot it much over 25 yards , once I'd brained a couple squirrels for an article I was writing I was done with it .

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    I used to use some daystate lead bullets in my hornet they just looked like .22 rimfire bullets to me they worked ok though. And because they were classed as air gun pellets they could post the hollow points out with the solids
    "a man does good business when he rids himself of a turd"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klenchblaize View Post
    Anyone here or overseas using cast bullets in their 22 Hornet for thin skinned game such as squirrel or indeed with any other small calibre at significantly reduced loads??

    Cheers

    K
    Thousands of them for most bore diameters and a crap load of different chamberings over the last 40 years. I have used them at minimum velocities (.310 round balls from a 30-06 for rabbits) to high velocity shooting like a 57 grain .225" bullet at 2800 fps. At the risk of sounding like the "know it all so and so" some people take me to be... What would you like to know??~Muir
    Last edited by Muir; 10-09-2013 at 00:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muir View Post
    Thousands of them for most bore diameters and a crap load of different chamberings over the last 40 years. I have used them at minimum velocities (.310 round balls from a 30-06 for rabbits) to high velocity shooting like a 57 grain .225" bullet at 2800 fps. At the risk of sounding like the "know it all so and so" some people take me to be... What would you like to know??~Muir
    Absolutly anthing I cannot consult c/o my Landis, Donaldson, Epps, Sharpe etc library.

    Did I mention graphite wads??

    Cheers

    K
    Ps:

    Don't take certain ill-considered statements from SD members to heart. One of the faults we Brits oft' demonstrate is the capacity to be spitefully critical of anyone who offers assertive 'opinion'. This, in my humble opinion a result of too many years shackled to a Class System that ensured a person "knew their place" and that public demonstrations of learnedness; acquired at know less than the coalface of a subject, are considered both vulgar and immodest. So kick-back, grab a Wee Heavy and keep that keyboard finger prodding Mr. Muir!
    Last edited by Klenchblaize; 10-09-2013 at 08:09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klenchblaize View Post
    Absolutly anthing I cannot consult c/o my Landis, Donaldson, Epps, Sharpe etc library.

    Did I mention graphite wads??

    Cheers

    K
    Ps:

    Don't take certain ill-considered statements from SD members to heart. One of the faults we Brits oft' demonstrate is the capacity to be spitefully critical of anyone who offers assertive 'opinion'. This, in my humble opinion a result of too many years shackled to a Class System that ensured a person "knew their place" and that public demonstrations of learnedness; acquired at know less than the coalface of a subject, are considered both vulgar and immodest. So kick-back, grab a Wee Heavy and keep that keyboard finger prodding Mr. Muir!
    Thanks for that. I hang around JAYB too much to take offense to much. He is about offensive as a man can get and still be well liked!

    I've read all the authors you mention but there have been quite a few refinements over the last few decades largely due to the experimenters in the Cast Bullet Association. What these authors considered "fine accuracy" with cast bullets would be considered down right mediocre today -even fired in period guns. Of course, molds are markedly better today. They aren't machined .005" oversize with the expectation that they would be sized down to fit!

    In direct answer to your question, One of my favorite small game rifles was a #7 (small)Remington Rolling Block rifle fitted with a cast-off 1-14" twist barrel from a larger centerfire. With the Lyman #224-438 @ 46 grains, using an annealed gas check on a wheel weight bullet over SR-4759 I duplicated 22WMR loads with sub-MOA accuracy. With that powder I could load the same bullet from 1100 fps to 2000 fps. It was a real joy to shoot.~Muir

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    I've used the Lyman 55gr and the Lee Bator in a CZ hornet. The 22 Bator is too "round" to effectively feed from either the mag or hand. The Lyman feeds well but I didn't get great accuracy from either. Both with and without gas checks.
    I now use them for subsonic only fox dispatch rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klenchblaize View Post
    Don't take certain ill-considered statements from SD members to heart. One of the faults we Brits oft' demonstrate is the capacity to be spitefully critical of anyone who offers assertive 'opinion'. This, in my humble opinion a result of too many years shackled to a Class System that ensured a person "knew their place" and that public demonstrations of learnedness; acquired at know less than the coalface of a subject, are considered both vulgar and immodest. So kick-back, grab a Wee Heavy and keep that keyboard finger prodding Mr. Muir!
    Make sure to ask him about those heat treated bullets (hence the annealed gas check comment). Interesting stuff, and yes, it does work. And work quite well, actually.

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    I use a cast 60gn gas checked RCBS in .223 using 5.4 gns red dot, no filler. They come out at 1500fps.

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    Without to put a dampener on it UNLESS you have the lubricator and sizer and the lead melting equipment to hand you'll be OUT OF POCKET and far less save any money.

    Performance wise a good quality cast bullet sized and lubed to the "ideal" diameter for the rifle is going to give you more than adequate accuracy for what you want. That is certain.

    I used to commercially cast but went out of it after the pistol ban. I am starting o get back in slowly. But the cost! Luckily with my contacts I've sourced what I need in terms of most ancilliaries at almost give away prices. But if set off to do it from new it'll hurt.

    One essential will be a neck expander for your Hornet cases to allow of lead bullets. Either a Lyman M Die or the RCBS equivalent with a flare.

    There is however one type of old Lyman mould that doesn't require the bullet to be sized. Indeed it is designed to be used "as is and unsized". The Loverin style. You may be lucky and find an old one.

    However an easier solution may be at hand!

    Eley used to sell, in tins, for FAC rated air rifles what were, essentially, looking like unfinished .22 LR solid bullets. I got some from a well known air rifle centre in Nottingham near Radford Road about ten plus years ago.

    If you can get those they would probably be ideal for you Hornet.

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