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    Double rifle - O/U

    .375 H&H - which O/U rifle is rated to be the best. Within a budget of 5k.

    Planning to put one on my ticket for Africa hence starting to do some research.

    Hoshang

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    You may well struggle to find a good new 375h&h double for 5000, but this is definately the sort of money that you get a good 9.3x74r for. There are good double rifle forums on http://www.accuratereloading.com and NitroExpress.com welcomes you to nitro express and big bore and big game action.

    Merkels are really good and well built. The Verney Carrons seem to be well made, affordable and well respected. Keep an eye on the Holts Auction - there are often some Ferlach built doubles for pretty reasonable prices. Beretta and other Italian makers are also making some nice doubles. I have had a look at the Blaser doubles - technically probably really good, but just don't like them.

    By choosing an over and under you have done yourself a big favour. Prices of side by side doubles, especially old British built ones are getting pricey.

    Bear in mind that the 375 h&h is a belted case and not rimmed. Opinion is out as to whether a non rimmed case works in a double. The 9.3x74r is a rimmed case, and not that far behind 375h&h in terms of power, but big debate over whether suitable for dangerous game (same argument as 243 and red deer).

  3. #3
    The .375 H & H is available flanged.

    David.

  4. #4
    Talk to Ivor at Old Mill Guns.
    He usually has a few doubles and is a first class bloke.
    Guy.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Heym SR20 View Post
    Bear in mind that the 375 h&h is a belted case and not rimmed. Opinion is out as to whether a non rimmed case works in a double. The 9.3x74r is a rimmed case, and not that far behind 375h&h in terms of power, but big debate over whether suitable for dangerous game (same argument as 243 and red deer).
    The problem with 9.3x74 in Africa isn't the power - it is that it's legally too small a calibre for dangerous game, as the minimum in most African countries is .375" / 9.5mm. A South African PH would be placing his licence at risk if he took a client out on dangerous game using a 9.3x74.

    As for its effectiveness, I doubt the animal would be any less dead on the receiving end of either.

    ​Adam.

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    Just looking at the Holts catalogue - auction it is today and will be interesting to see what these make.

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    Sale A190913 Lot 1200


    RIZZINI
    A 9.3X74R 'MOD. EXPRESS 90' ROUND-BODY SINGLE-TRIGGER OVER AND UNDER DOUBLE RIFLE, serial no. 55690,
    cat. no. 7095, 23 1/2in. nitro barrels with stepped solid matt top rib, open sights and ramped high visibility fore-sight, the breech end with telescopic sight rings on a quickly-detachable rail, hold-open toplever, automatic safety, rounded bar with bold acanthus scroll engraving, triggerplate signed 'Bottega C. Giovanelli', bright and blued finish, 14 5/8in. well-figured pistolgrip stock with sculpted cheekpiece, hogsback comb and wooden buttplate, weight 6lb. 13oz.


    Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.


    Estimate 700-900

    A pretty good package for the sort of money

    or


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    JOSEF HAMBRUSCH
    A .375 H&H / 16-BORE SIDELOCK EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE DRILLING, serial no. 2518,
    24 3/4in. nitro reproved barrels (in 2013) with matt sight rib, open sights and ramp-mounted bead fore-sight, the breech end mounted with a B. Nickel Supra 1-4 E/D/S telescopic sight in quickly-detachable mounts, 2 3/4in. shot chamber, bored approx. 1/2 choke, quadruple-grip action with side-bolsters, removable striker discs, manual safety, elongated top strap, side-mounted shot / ball selector switch, cocking-indicators, set front trigger, acanthus scroll engraving, bright and blued finish, 14 1/4in. pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, hogsback comb, sling swivels, pistolgrip-cap and including 1in. ventilated rubber recoil pad, weight 10lb. 10oz.


    Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.


    Estimate 4,000-5,000

    Be interested to see what this makes - a side by side double 375h&h with 16 bore shot barrel - would cover everything from Guinae Fowl up to elephant. Joseph Hambrusch makes very nice guns - I have one of his.



    And this looks very nice, but out of the price range

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    HOLLAND & HOLLAND
    A .375 (MAGNUM FLANGED) 'NO.2 MODEL' BACK-ACTION SIDELOCK EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE, serial no. 35037,
    25in. nitro chopperlump barrels with ramp-mounted bead fore-sight with moon protector, matt sight rib with open sights and one folding leaf sight the breech end fitted with a Schmidt & Bender 1 1/4-4 x 20 telescopic sight in quickly-detachable claw mount bases, treble-grip action with concealed third bite, manual safety with gold-inlaid 'SAFE' detail, removable striker discs, elongated top-strap, bouquet and scroll engraving, the underside engraved '.375 BORE MAGNUM FLANGED CARTRIDGE', brushed bright finish, 14 3/4in. figured pistolgrip stock with engraved steel pistolgrip cap with trap, sling swivels, cheekpiece, including 1in. rubber recoil pad, weight 11lb. 7oz., in a tan leather guncase


    Provenance: The makers have kindly confirmed that this rifle was manufactured on the 24th February 1944 for a Captain Isidore G.E. Mesmaekers as a .375 No.2 model.


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    Estimate 8,000-12,000


    And finally with this little lot you would have one gun that would cover everything:



    Sale A190913 Lot 1228


    BUCHSENMACHER HANDELS GESELLSCHAFT
    A 9,3X74R OVER AND UNDER SIDEPLATED BOXLOCK EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE, serial no. 936 with extra 16-bore / 7x57R combination barrels and 16-bore shot barrels,
    24 7/8in. ejector nitro 9,3x74R barrels by K. Keiner (Suhl) in 1993 with matt rib, open sights and ramped blade fore-sight, the breech end with quickly-detachable telescopic sight mount bases, three-piece fore-end;
    25 1/2in. non-ejector 16-bore / 7x57R combination barrels with raised matt rib, folding open sights and blade fore-sight, the breech end with quickly-detachable telescopic sight mount bases and signed 'BUHAG - SUHL HANDWERKSARBEIT, three-piece fore-end; with two interchangeable telescopic sights in quickly-detachable mounts, one Zeiss Diavari-ZM 2,5-10x48T* and one Schmidt & Bender 1 1/4-4x20;
    28in. ejector 16-bore shot barrels with raised matt rib, 2 3/4in. chambers, bored approx. 1/2 choke in both, the breech end signed 'BUHAG - SUHL HANDWERKSARBEIT, three-piece fore-end;
    hold-open toplever, manual safety, gold cocking-indicators, set front trigger, the action and furniture profusely carved with oak leaves and acorns on a finely stoppled background, the decorative sideplates with woodland game scenes of deer, fox and fowl, bright finish, 14 1/4in. figured pistolgrip stock with sculpted cheekpiece, pistolgrip-cap, sling swivels and including 7/8in. rubber recoil pad, weight 8lb. 5oz. (9,3x74R barrels, no scope), 7lb. 15oz. (combination barrels, no scope) and 7lb. 5oz. (shot barrels), in a vinyl case with provision for all barrels and telescopic sights, with cloth outer cover


    Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.


    Estimate 4,000-6,000


    S1

  7. #7
    Thanks for your thoughts guys.

    Heym SR20 -
    What about heym and chapuis. Are these guns good and do they do a .375 rimmed. I know that heym does this cartridge, however not sure about the rest.

    How much are the beretta's for any idea

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    Chapuis double rifles are very good indeed, it's pretty much their speciality. You could also have a look at Gaucher Armes, although I think they're now a part of the Verney-Carron mini-Empire. Still excellent guns though.

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    Every year at the IWA I go past the Rizzini stand and have a play with the O/U 9.3x74. They fit me like a glove and handle beautifully.
    edi

  10. #10
    I have just taken delivery of a new Chapuis RGEX: http://www.chapuis-armes.com/progres...x-serie-3.html

    It is available from stock in9,3x74 R
    8x57 JRS
    7x57 R
    6,5x57 R
    30,30 Win

    I went for 9.3x74R as I wanted a rimmed round in a double. The Series 3 double is based off their round-bodied 28bore shotgun action, which is very light and an informal chat with Chapuis suggested that the 9.3 is about at the limits of the design. They will make you another calibre to order, but I think they would steer you towards the slightly heavier UGEX, which is based off a square-bodied action.

    Ivor at Old Mill Guns is the man to speak to.

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