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    Am i likely to get a variation if .....

    Good afternoon Gents,

    I just wanted to run this by some of you more experienced shooters. I am currently considering putting in a variation for a .243, i have have my first centrefire ( a .223 ) for a year now and since the time of my original application (when my main quarry was foxes) i have become interested in deer stalking as my primary quarry.

    I have two large (300+acre) permissions which are already legally cleared to .243 however they do not have deer larger than Muntjac on them, i got my .223 for these permissions for fox control but my license has been updated to allow me to use it for Muntjac and CWD as needed.

    However this year ive done a 6 paid stalks with a couple of reputable stalkers just for Muntjac deer and have been building up my stalking experience a bit more. I have recently booked to do my DSC1 course and have booked two weekends of stalking for next spring for larger deer Roe / Fallow and i plan to book at least several more to build a portfolio of stalking experience.

    I would like to apply for my own .243, i have a space for it in my cabinet. I would have to put down on my variation that it would be for use on paid stalking days, not necessarily for use on my permission as i cannot justify needing it there due to no large deer and already catered for with the .223 for foxes. Although if i had one i would likely zero it at my permission as the land is cleared to .243 and possibly sometimes on foxes if that was allowed.

    Additionally my new shooting friend and his dad have an 8000acre permission over in the south of England (with Fallow, Roe and Reds) which they have said i can come and shoot with them when i like, although i dont have a "permission letter" per se for that land owner, can i also give this as another reason for my application ?

    My question then is do the police grant variations based on someone who can show evidence of regularly attending paid stalking weekends / has evidence of upcoming weekend booked and paid for ??

    Thank you all very much for any input, I greatly appreciate the advice of my more experienced colleagues.
    atvb

    Tim
    Last edited by Evillemon; 10-10-2013 at 14:39. Reason: added a new detail

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    From what you have written then you have every reason to apply for a .243, are you sure you have no roe, bit suprising in that now they have appeared to colonised virtually all of the UK. More to the point how do the police not know you have roe in your stalking locality.

    I A@S they now insist you haev a DSC L1 to apply for a deer calibre C/F so if you pass then I would have thought you have a cast iron case.

    However i expect the more learned members of the forum will give first hand experience.

    D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evillemon View Post
    Good afternoon Gents,

    I just wanted to run this by some of you more experienced shooters. I am currently considering putting in a variation for a .243, i have have my first centrefire ( a .223 ) for a year now and since the time of my original application (when my main quarry was foxes) i have become interested in deer stalking as my primary quarry.

    I have two large (300+acre) permissions which are already legally cleared to .243 however they do not have deer larger than Muntjac on them, i got my .223 for these permissions for fox control but my license has been updated to allow me to use it for Muntjac and CWD as needed.

    However this year ive done a 6 paid stalks with a couple of reputable stalkers just for Muntjac deer and have been building up my stalking experience a bit more. I have recently booked to do my DSC1 course and have booked two weekends of stalking for next spring for larger deer Roe / Fallow and i plan to book at least several more to build a portfolio of stalking experience.

    I would like to apply for my own .243, i have a space for it in my cabinet. I would have to put down on my variation that it would be for use on paid stalking days, not necessarily for use on my permission as i cannot justify needing it there due to no large deer and already catered for with the .223 for foxes. Although if i had one i would likely zero it at my permission as the land is cleared to .243 and possibly sometimes on foxes if that was allowed.

    My question then is do the police grant variations based on someone who can show evidence of regularly attending paid stalking weekends / has evidence of upcoming weekend booked and paid for ??


    Thank you all very much for any input, I greatly appreciate the advice of my more experienced colleagues.
    atvb

    Tim
    Tim

    In my personal opinion, I think you would get a Variation on .243 on the basis of what you have explained. Your permissions may well contain larger deer than Munties and CWD; I don't think you need to go into such detail and I would suggest that you just get the land cleared for .243 if it isn't already. The Paid Stalking bookings will help, as well as the DSC1 booking. I'm assuming your FAC purchases would show reasonable usage of ammunition for .223?
    I know nothing of Herts and their attitude however. The worst that can happen is that they say 'no'. Might be worth giving your shooting organisation a ring too (BASC? BDS?). Don't forget a Mod too.
    Good luck with it.

    Naseby

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    Well as far as i have seen, there are no Roe, however there is a high seat on one permission left from an older gentleman who no longer shoots there which suggests to me that possibly they might have been or still are occasionally visiting. I recently also heard from a friend that he knows someone who claims to have shot a Roe Buck right next door to my other permission ... so its not impossible, i just haven't seen any there myself.

    Possibly then it might be better to wait till after my DSC1 to apply, only i know there is a shooting test as part of the DSC and therefore thought it might be better to get my own .243 first and get some shooting practice with it before i take it to use in the test.
    Last edited by Evillemon; 10-10-2013 at 14:57.

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    Thanks Naseby, that's encouraging. Yes i would hope that my FAC reflects a good year of ammunition purchases, i dont think there has been a weekend when i didnt go out shooting since i got my ticket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evillemon View Post
    Thanks Naseby, that's encouraging. Yes i would hope that my FAC reflects a good year of ammunition purchases, i dont think there has been a weekend when i didnt go out shooting since i got my ticket
    Yes, you may wish to buy some more .223 before you apply for that variation too. I expect you will be busy with the CWD Season approaching

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    in essex we need to show the booking letter for the stalk or boar hunt and this is good reason for obtaining a .243 or larger cal as per the law's for roe fallow etc
    as long as its the same your end can't see why not ,don't forget exp ammo and if you reload add exp missiles - exp bullets.

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    Apply for a moderator for the .243 at the same time as there will be only the one standard variation fee to pay so effectively `you buy one and get one free`.
    This in itself could be used for a free`one-for-one` deal in the future if not purchased now.
    Whilst the DSC is helpful I do not think that it is compulsory. Booking letters are always a help however.

    HWH.

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    too many good reasons..more than many folk
    keep it simple
    (a) .223 for foxes
    (b) a larger calibre (.243 or what ever) for deer, of whatever species (and moderators as Stag says)

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    Thank you all very much for your input, its given me the confidence to submit a variation. Printing out the forms now

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