Cut+Squirt
Well-Known Member
With respect I think you might also be getting a bit confused.
If I am reading your post correctly {your obviously not} you are implying that to lawfully have an unloaded shotgun in your possession you must satisfy both criteria listed above (a) lawful authority and (b) reasonable excuse?
Where on earth did I say that?
I lifted it directly from the legislation word for word ?????
I know who's confused and it aint me.
I would refer all readers of this thread to CharlieT post back at #58 which seems to have been largely ignored:
"Remember though that the law says "without lawful authority OR reasonable excuse". It does not say and, therefore having lawful authority (my SGC) I do not need to demonstrate reasonable excuse."
I will also stand by that statement as well despite WIDU's misguided insistance that:
"A certificate is NOT lawful authority for having the firearm with them outside of the reason it was issued"
In answer to which I would ask, (in the case of a SGC), what was the 'reason' for which it was issued - as there is no requirement for the applicant to state one?
The SGC application form 103 also clearly states:
"It is – with certain statutory exceptions – an offence for a person to have in his/her
possession, purchase, or acquire any shot gun, without holding a shot gun certificate."
With the converse being that no offence occurs when in possession of a SGC.
You are talking nonsense.. .. are you suggesting that by simply having a shotgun certficate this gives you a blanket authority to keep it with you 24/7 even when not involved or going to and from shooting?
There appears to be much confusion arising on this thread due to the belief that 'reasonable excuse' has also to be somehow proven - it doesn't provided you have a SGC.
It dosn't have to be proven, it does however need to be demonstrated . . .ie, the shotgun certificate authorises you to own a shotgun, the reasonable excuse needs to be demonstrated as to why you actually have it on your back and out the cabinet at the material time.
Of course those who don't hold one, (the bad guys), would have to demonstrate it to avoid an unlawful possession charge as evidenced by the Stated Cases being quoted.
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With respect I think you might also be getting a bit confused.
If I am reading your post correctly {your obviously not} you are implying that to lawfully have an unloaded shotgun in your possession you must satisfy both criteria listed above (a) lawful authority and (b) reasonable excuse?
Where on earth did I say that?
I lifted it directly from the legislation word for word ?????
I know who's confused and it aint me.
I would refer all readers of this thread to CharlieT post back at #58 which seems to have been largely ignored:
"Remember though that the law says "without lawful authority OR reasonable excuse". It does not say and, therefore having lawful authority (my SGC) I do not need to demonstrate reasonable excuse."
I will also stand by that statement as well despite WIDU's misguided insistance that:
"A certificate is NOT lawful authority for having the firearm with them outside of the reason it was issued"
In answer to which I would ask, (in the case of a SGC), what was the 'reason' for which it was issued - as there is no requirement for the applicant to state one?
The SGC application form 103 also clearly states:
"It is – with certain statutory exceptions – an offence for a person to have in his/her
possession, purchase, or acquire any shot gun, without holding a shot gun certificate."
With the converse being that no offence occurs when in possession of a SGC.
You are talking nonsense.. .. are you suggesting that by simply having a shotgun certficate this gives you a blanket authority to keep it with you 24/7 even when not involved or going to and from shooting?
There appears to be much confusion arising on this thread due to the belief that 'reasonable excuse' has also to be somehow proven - it doesn't provided you have a SGC.
It dosn't have to be proven, it does however need to be demonstrated . . .ie, the shotgun certificate authorises you to own a shotgun, the reasonable excuse needs to be demonstrated as to why you actually have it on your back and out the cabinet at the material time.
Of course those who don't hold one, (the bad guys), would have to demonstrate it to avoid an unlawful possession charge as evidenced by the Stated Cases being quoted.
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