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Thread: How much is a Lee Enfield Mk4 worth?

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    How much is a Lee Enfield Mk4 worth?

    This is an odd one for me and I apologise if it is in the wrong section. I have never really had any interest at all in old rifles, but I saw a Lee Enfield for the first time in my life when it came in to my local RFD at the weekend.…. and I find that I like the idea of owning something with some history! Thing is, I have no idea what it is worth.

    It looks like the original scope mounted right down to the leather covers. The condition of the whole lot looks excellent. I am told it shoots well, although my interest is more historical than firing the thing.

    So, my question to the collective is….. what kind of money do these things normally go for? I'll try to get some pictures later, if they will help.

    kind regards


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    Depends on what it is and whether it is in a decent condition with all the right bits on.
    It is worth what somebody will pay but I would have thought £250 upwards to £400 depending on what it is.

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    There is no such thing as a Mk4............................................... .. So first we have to establish what the rifle really is before any ideas of price can even be considered.

    When you mention Mk4 I am thinking perhaps you mean No4. If it has the flat sided receiver like this:-

    Then it's a No4. These came in different "Marks" the one in the Photo is a sporting conversion built on a Mk1/2 receiver. That is it has the updated Mk2 trigger retrofitted before it was sold off surplus and then converted to a sporting rifle.

    The only Lee Enfields fitted with scopes were the Sniper varients. The No4T which was fitted with a No32 scope. These were fitted by Holland & Holland for most part. The earlier Lee Enfields have a rounded left wall to the receiver and the rear sight is barrel mounted and not on the rear of the receiver like the No4 and No5 versions.

    Some photos or a link would help as I wonder if it's standard rifle with a scope fitted an depending upon how the scopes mounts are fitted will effect it's value. The reason is that a true No4T is expensive. Only a limited number were made and even a real No32 scope is going to cost a fair bit today even without the mounts and those cost a lot and are not easily fitted as the muntign pads are soldered onto the receiver.

    ​BTW a decent No32 scope on it's own will fetch over £350 with tin and tool then your looking at probably £1,000.

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    The scope wasn't a standard attachment (as far as I know) and if period will add to the price.

    Unless it's a No4 T sniper? Has it got a cheek piece on? If so it could be worth many many thousands of pounds - or it could be a modern built one - and as most of these are built using un-issued bits, it will still be worth a grand or so...
    Check if all the numbers on it match as a place to start....

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    ..and now everyone is googling gunshops near stourport to call and secure the rifle if it is indeed valueable

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    That is something that never entered my head!............................................. . but then I am not so keen on shooting the No4's preferring the No1 Mk111's instead. I did have a No4T sans scope for a while got it shooting as it should then sold it and got that No4 Sporting conversion in it's place.

    ​Some of the after market scope mounts for the No4's are a right lash up or that's what they look like to me.

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    No.4 well used £300ish. No.4T good condition and original parts £3000+. You really have to have some knowledge or trust the seller when buying a rifle like this.

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    Wanting a piece of history I fully understand and now this is a real piece of history:-

    Plus a real antique too boot. Made for a Boer Burgher in about 1895-1897. Despite trying we can only get as close as the 13 J.P du Plessis Jnr that the Boer Museum lists and not the actual one that owned and carried it.

    For those who may not know it's a Mauser M1893 which has the guide rail in the left receiver wall and the square bottomed Bolt face this one was made by DWM and of course is chambered for the 7mm Mauser cartridge (7x57mm). Known by the Boers as the Plezier rifle and this rifle cost nearly double what a standard M1893 or 1895 long rifle cost. Less than 1,000 Pleziers are known to have been made and not all have the nickel silver oval in the butt stock..

    So revered still in South Africa a limited run of reproductions built on original receivers were built in South Africa back in the 1980's. Researching the history is part f owning such pieces for a lot of collectors.

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    It's definitely an Enfield No 4 Mk 1 'T'. The serial numbers on the action, scope mount, stock and bolt all match.

    I reckon it might end up being a bit beyond my 'history' budget, but I think I will look out for a more run-of-the-mill one.

    Thanks for all your help - especially Brithunter - the man is an encyclopaedia.



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    Even though it's a historic piece if one wants to shoot it then the condition of the Bore and muzzle is paramount. One also has to bear in the mind that most 303's will have been fired using cordite ammunition which is hard on throats and bores. Until a couple of years ago I had a Martini Enfield AC11 converted by the Henry Rifle Barrel Company and last issued in regular service to the pay Corps in 1908. It then went to the cadets it seems as it was marked on the top of the receiver "Not For Ball" even though the barrel and chamber were fine.

    To preserve it yet still enjoy shooting it occasionally I bought some commercially made 205 Grain gas Checked cast lead bullets and once the load was worked out it shot reasonably well. The cast lead bullets are far gentler on the bore than jacketed. Re-barrelling such a firearm is not an option as once one does all historic value and importance is lost.

    Now for someone like your self who wishes to have a historic rifle yet one that can be shot without too much concern for ruining it's collectability perhaps you should seek out a "Range rifle" this is one that was adapted for the NRA Service rifle B competitions and so can have a small number of improvements like the bedding, trigger work and target type sights fitted. From the outside it looks like a service rifle fitted with target sights but often they have a new heavier barrel fitted and the stock carefully bedded for precision. This is one such rifle:-

    Note the inset wooden disc. This is where the standard P-14 would have had the steel recoil bolt. It's been replaced with a carefully fitted Hornbeam wood block.

    I removed the P-H 5B rear sight and fitted a standard military aperture rear sight that I got from Gun Parts Corp of America.

    ​This rifle is in Belguim now where it shoots in Historic Service rifle comps. Similar types in Lee Enfield No1 Mk111 and No4 as well as Mauser 98 and Springfield 03 can be found although here in the UK the Mauser and Springfield are not so common for obvious reasons.

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