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    Deer poachers result

    A great by result the garda that will hopefully put the message out to other like minded persons



    Two Deer Poachers Convicted at Naas District Court on 4th. December 2013. Fines totalling 3,100.00, driving disqualifications for two years, firearm certificates to be revoked. (Share & like to name & shame)

    Garda statement - two men from Rathvilly, Co. Carlow appeared at Naas District Court on 4th. December 2013 charged with three offences under the Wildlife Act 1976 as amended.

    Defendants Donal Smith Jnr, 10 Woodgrove Avenue, Rathvilly, Co. Carlow & Christopher Morris, 31 Slaney Bank, Rathvilly, Co. Carlow.

    The offences charged related to the unlawful possession of a Sika Deer, Obstruction of an Authorised Officer and Using an MPV for the purpose of hunting at Kippure, Co. Wicklow on 16th. February 2012.

    The facts of the case confirmed that Conservation Rangers from the NPWS had surveillance in place on the carcass of a Sika Deer which was concealed adjacent to the main road leading from Blessington to the Sally Gap. It was suspected that the deer had been illegally shot the previous night and had been prepared for collection during daylight hours thus minimising the chances of detection/interception while poaching / conveying deer during the night time hours.

    The two defendants arrived on scene at 2.20pm. They were photographed by the Rangers and readily identified while loading the deer carcass into a black VW Golf the property of Mr Donal Smith Jnr.

    The defendants made good their escape when challenged by the Rangers and drove away towards Blessington.

    At 3.30pm Garda Darragh Jennings stopped the offending vehicle at Hollywood, Co. Wicklow however the defendants had disposed of the carcass at this juncture.

    They were questioned at lenght but denied all knowledge of the allegations of deer poaching. When the photographic evidence was produced in situ they rubbished same suggesting that it had been contrived.

    Mr Smith Jnr, through his solicitor, admitted shooting one deer. It was further suggested that he was embarking upon a career as a bodybuilder and required the venison as a cheap form of protein.

    Judge Zaidan imposed a fine of 1100e and a two year driving disqualification against Christopher Morris while Donal Smith Jnr was fined a total of 2000e with a two year disqualification.

    Judge Zaidan indicated that he was seriously considering the imposition of a custodial sentence and said that on the evidence as presented he was satisfied that Mr Smith Jnr played a pivotal role in this organised and structured deer poaching enterprise.

    Mr Smith Jnr holds Firearm Certificates in respect of two rifles and it is envisaged that both will be revoked by the District Officer in Carlow.


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    Great news,now we may be getting some just punishment for these all too common crimes.

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    I have heard there is a lot of poaching out that way. Good to see them get a result. Revoking the license should be a starting point and then remove their licences as well. Make it harder for them.
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    Seems a bit harsh, unless they had previous of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rake Aboot View Post
    Seems a bit harsh, unless they had previous of course.
    i dont agree with that! theve done the crime and probably loads of others aswell , if there is no real deterent then they will keep taking the pi$$ , its about time the hard work of the rangers were rewarded with a good result in court , we are sick to death of poachers localy and wish the police and courts would be as good at punishing rural crime like this

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    Probably loads of others as well ?? maybe not though.

    Not sure that a 2 year ban, which may cost someone their livelihood is apt for shooting a deer.

    I do not think that courts should have the power to remove a driving license for this type of offence.

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    +1 the more's the better in my mind pity there aren't more getting this sort of punishment .



    Quote Originally Posted by arron View Post
    i dont agree with that! theve done the crime and probably loads of others aswell , if there is no real deterent then they will keep taking the pi$$ , its about time the hard work of the rangers were rewarded with a good result in court , we are sick to death of poachers localy and wish the police and courts would be as good at punishing rural crime like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rake Aboot View Post
    Probably loads of others as well ?? maybe not though.

    Not sure that a 2 year ban, which may cost someone their livelihood is apt for shooting a deer.

    I do not think that courts should have the power to remove a driving license for this type of offence.
    the truth of the matter is they have done it , been convicted , and been sentanced , they and alot of others will think twice about it in future , this soft society is always giving criminals a second chance or soft sentances , which we rightly moan about , so fair play the courts for making a stand ! have you been the victim of crime ? i have and have no sympathy at all for them , end off

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    Lucky its not in the USA then. The law on poaching out there is much harsher. Loosing their car and firearms is only the start, if it were me they would be losing their liberty as well for a year.

    Theft is theft and poaching is theft and many will have been thieving deer for years and the proceeds probably paid for the vehicle in the first place.
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    Theft is theft, hmm maybe so.


    In that case, every self employed person taking cash in hand jobs and stealing money from the govt should serve a driving ban.

    They are far worse criminals in my eyes. Stealing money from the NHS.

    Don't make the mistake if thinking I condone poaching using a gun, but I think the punishment should suit the crime, consistently

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