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    Buying a scope/Scope test/lashing out with some serious/

    For those members that really want to know about scopes/purchasing in mind. From another forum but its well worth reading it...again. Take note of the explanation.






    Surfing around another forum I came accross some rifle scope tests that I thought would be pertinant over here as well. Some results may have caused a leopould fan or two to slit another forum members throat.

    Hopefully this post will be usefull enough to be a sticky in the optics forum.

    Finnish Test #1

    To: MrGman. Here is a test from a Finnish magazine where a bunch of scopes where tested.
    A test board with E letters in different sizes on separate levels(the same as used for the driving tests) where placed 110 yards away. The test results show how many rows could be seen through the scope at different times during the evening. If a minus (-) sign is placed after the row number, it means that it could not be determined where the E pointed (up, down, left or right). The test results are in Finnish, but here is a translation table:

    - riv = row
    - ei näy = could not be seen

    The test where done during winter time conditions.

    Here are the test results:

    Burris 2,5-10x44 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv.- 20.00: ei näy
    Bushnell 2,5-10x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv.- 20.00: ei näy
    Bushnell 3-9x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: ei näy
    Docter 2,5-10x48 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: 1 riv.
    Docter 3-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Kahles 2,5-10x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Kahles 3-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Karl Kaps 2,5-10x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.-
    Leupold 4,4-14x50 17.00: 3 riv.-17.30: ei näy 20.00: ei näy
    Meopta 3-12x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: 1 riv.-
    Meopta 3-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Schmidt&Bender 1,5-6x42 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.-
    Schmidt&Bender 2,5-10x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Shirstone 4-12x56 17.00: 2 riv.-17.30: ei näy 20.00: ei näy
    Swarovsik 2,5-10x42 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Swarovski 2,5-10x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Zeiss 2,5-10x50 17.00: 2 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Zeiss 1-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-


    The following info is for a different test. Tom B
    From: LowLightHunter Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:55 pm

    Ok, the test was conducted in the following conditions. 19 scopes with 56mm objective and illuminated rectile or red dot were chosen. A silhuette of a deer was placed out on a field abt 20 feet away from the testers. Then they waited for the sun to set. They looked through the scopes and when it was not possible to see the deer anymore, they put the scopes away.

    Scopes tested were the following:
    Barska Euro Pro 3-12x56IR
    Docter Classic 3-12x56R
    Docter Unipoint 3-12x56R
    JahtiJakt 4-16x56
    Kahles CBX 3-12x56L
    Leupold VX-L 4,5-14x56
    Luger PRO-NA 3-12x56
    Meopta Meostar R1 3-12x56RD
    Micro Dot 2,5-10x56
    Night Force 3,5-15x56NF
    Nikon Monarch E 2,5-10x56 SF M IL
    Schmidt & Bender Zenith 2,5-10x56 FD LM
    Swarovski 2,5-10x56 L LD
    Vixen VF 2,5-10x56
    Weaver Classic Extreme 2,5-10x56 SF
    Zeiss Classic Diavari 3-12x56 T*
    Zeiss Victory Diavari M 3-12x56 T*
    Zeiss Victory Varipoint 3-12x56 T*
    Zeiss Victory Diarange M 3-12x56 T*

    At 4pm the deer was difficult to see the deer without a scope. Also at 4pm the first scope was put to the side. This was Barsk. The next seven in the order of how difficult to see were Luger, Vixwn JahtiJakt, Weaver, Leupold, Micro Dot and Nikon. All within 40minutes (4pm - 4:40pm).

    With the rest of the scopes it was still possible to see the deer picture to be able to make a shot at it. The moon started to give some light, so the deer picutre was moved to a darker place. After that the scopes were put in an order by which it was hardest to see the picture and so on. The two scopes that fell out first were Meopta and Schmidt&Bender. The next two scopes were Kahles and Docter Classic It was still somewhat possible to see the outlines of the deer with Docter. The next two were Docter Unipoint and Zeiss Diarange. Zeiss Victory Varipoint was a bit better than the last two. Swarovski PVI-2 and Zeiss Classic Diavari were on the same level, a little better than the varipoint. The last scope on the table was the Zeiss Victory Diavari.

    The test also included other parameters which I will not mention, simply because the test was 6 A4 pages and I am only interested in the low light performance. They also measured light transmission, which gave totally other results. But what counts in the end is what you see through the scope and not the measured numbers.

    Please note that this is my translation of a test that was conducted in a Finnish hunting magazine last month. I do not take any responisbility of the outcome of the test itself.

    To MrGman, the scopes that I would recommend is Meopta Meostar and Docter Classic. They are good low scopes for low light hunting at a reasonable price. The best you can get, if you are prepared to pay, is of course Zeiss Diavari, both victory series with loctec coating and the classic series. For daylight hunting only I would for sure chose another scope.

    From: LowLightHunter Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:59 am
    Sorry It should be 55 yards! They put the deer picture 55 yards out in the field. 55-110 yards is quite a normal distance for low light hunting on deer or wild boar.


    I rearranged the data from the first test in the order of most to least Es seen at 8 PM. Tom B
    Zeiss 3-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Zeiss 2,5-10x50 17.00: 2 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Swarovski 2,5-10x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Schmidt&Bender 2,5-10x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Meopta 3-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: 2 riv.-
    Swarovsik 2,5-10x42 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Kahles 2,5-10x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Kahles 3-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Docter 2,5-10x48 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: 1 riv.
    Docter 3-12x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.
    Schmidt&Bender 1,5-6x42 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.-
    Meopta 3-12x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: 1 riv.-
    Karl Kaps 2,5-10x56 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv. 20.00: 1 riv.-
    Bushnell 3-9x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 2 riv.- 20.00: ei näy
    Bushnell 2,5-10x50 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv.- 20.00: ei näy
    Burris 2,5-10x44 17.00: 3 riv. 17.30: 1 riv.- 20.00: ei näy
    Leupold 4,5-14x50 17.00: 3 riv.- 17.30: ei näy 20.00: ei näy
    Shirstone 4-12x56 17.00: 2 riv.- 17.30: ei näy 20.00: ei näy

    I changed the power numbers from 1x12 to 3x12 for the Zeiss, and from 4.4 to 4.5 for the Leupold. Tom B
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    Looks like the ziess victory range are the way to go in low light for the best value for money scope then.
    Cheers for posting John, it makes very interesting reading mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinbad View Post
    Looks like the ziess victory range are the way to go in low light for the best value for money scope then.
    Cheers for posting John, it makes very interesting reading mate.
    Paul
    I was going to say the same. I have only used my scope (Zeiss Victory Varipoint 3-12x56 T*) so I do not have any first hand comparison data, but I doubt I would ever need to use anything else...

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    Interesting data, but in view of UK restrictions on shooting deer within one hour of sunset and sunrise, and our freedom to use lamps and NV on foxes and rabbits, I find myself wondering whether is low-light performance really as crucial here as it might be under other jurisdictions?

    IMO more crucial factors would be:
    1. holding zero
    2. clarity when looking into low sun
    3. reticle design
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    No Nickel in the test this time which is a shame :-) Even so it is interesting to see that Zeiss are still coming out on top of the "mass market" scopes, this was my view in any testing I've done but I think most companies have released new "glass" since I did my messing about so things may have changed. I wonder how Nickel are holding up to Zeiss now? It is also good to see someone actually testing scopes rather than just repeating the balderdash from the press release and heading off for a free hunting trip to "test" the scope in question.

    The other side of this, however, is that I mostly decide it is no longer wise to shoot before my scope limits my ability to shoot so most of the top end Euro scopes can now perform beyond where the UK stalker needs them to be - I shoot sika in dark commercial forestry and have seen well respected US scopes (for example) that wouldn't do my job in the middle of the day, in winter, never mind at last light.

    The good news for the UK deer stalker is that you can have some 2nd hand, top notch, fixed mag Euro glass that can see the deer long after you can shoot it for not a lot of money. I think 2nd hand Hungarian S&Bs are probably the best value but the message seems to be that if you just must have the best glass then buy top end Zeiss, I'd add Nickel to that as well but I haven't compared them to the new glass in the likes of Zeiss etc. so perhapse Zeiss have passed them by.
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    The Swedish test below,the nikel gets a mention in this one..long winded but when serious money is on the table one should know as much as possible.

    No surprises as to whats tops.

    Swedish Test #2

    Swedish magazine Vapentidningen no 6 / 2004 has printed a consumer lab testing for Copes rifles suitable for hunting at dusk / dawn.
    Their conclusion is that the German/Austrian scopes are by far the best, but the leap from the cheaper US scopes are smaller today than it was at the last test 7 years ago. Their conclusion is that the Germanwings / Austrian scopes are by far the best, but the leap from the cheaper U.S. scopes are smaller today than it was at the last test 7 years ago.
    Aerotech Telub lab did the scientific testing using spektrofotometers, broad spectral lamps and kolliminators. Aerotech Telub lab did the testing using scientific Spektrofotometer, broad spectral lamps and kolliminators.
    The scopes were tested for field of sight, eye relief, "tube effect", ergonomy, click adjustment accuracy, impact change with change of magnification, sharpness and contrast, light transmission, reflexes, twilight performance. The scopes were tested for field of sight, eye relief, "tube effect", ergonomy, click adjustment accuracy, impact change with change of magnification, sharpness and contrast, light transmission, reflexes, twilight performance.
    Here's a bit more on the test. Here's a bit more on the test. unfortunately the scope selection was somewhat limited. Unfortunately the selection was somewhat limited scope. And please not that the test was geared towards scopes for post hunting in dark autumn evenings. And please not that the test was geared towards post scopes for hunting in the dark autumn evenings.
    The test and description of the test criterias runs over 10 typed pages, so there's a bit too much work to translate all of that and post them on this forum However, I will post the scoring scales. The test and description of the criteria's test runs over 10 typed pages, so there's a bit too much work to translate all of that and post them on this forum However, I will post the scoring scales.

    Field of view at 100m Field of view at 100m
    0-5m 0 points 0-5m 0 points
    5-6m 1 point 5-6m 1 point
    6-7m 2 points 6-7m 2 points
    7m+ 3 points 7m + 3 points
    Eye relief Eye relief
    0-6cm 0 points 0-6cm 0 points
    6-8cm 1 point 6-8cm 1 point
    8-10 2 points 8-10 2 points
    10+ 3 points 10 + 3 points
    Tube effect Tube effect
    Sight picture severly disturbed by tube effect at all magnifications: 0 points Sight picture tube severly disturbed by impact at all magnification: 0 points
    Sight picture severly disturbed at lowest magnification, disturbed at highest: 1 point Sight picture severly disturbed at lowest magnification, disturbed at highest: 1 point
    Sight picture distusturbed at all magnifications: 2 points Sight picture distusturbed at all magnification: 2 points
    Sight picture disturbed only at lowest magnification: 3 points Sight picture disturbed only at lowest magnification: 3 points
    Sight picture not disturbed: 4 points Sight picture not disturbed: 4 points
    Ergonomy Ergonomy
    Magnification ring turns smooth and even: 1 point Magnification ring turns smooth and even: 1 point
    Possible to read magnification marking in the dark: 1 point Possible to read in the dark marking magnification: 1 point
    Quick and smooth focusing: 1 point Quick and smooth focusing: 1 point
    Possible to click scope without tools: 1 point Possible scope to click without tools: 1 point
    Click adjustment easy to feel: 1 point Click adjustment easy to feel: 1 point
    Good markings on all adjustments: 1 point Good markings on all adjustments: 1 point
    Indication of scope center: 1 point Indication of scope center: 1 point
    Sight adjustment Sight adjustment
    Click adjustment deviation in percent Click adjustment in percentage deviation
    100-50% 0 points 100-50% 0 points
    50-20% 1 point 50-20% 1 point
    20-5% 2 points 20.5% 2 points
    5-1% 3 points 5.1% 3 points
    0% 4 points 0% 4 points
    Adjustment range at 100m Adjustment range at 100m
    0-50cm 0 points 0-50cm 0 points
    50-100cm 1 point 50-100cm 1 point
    100-200cm 2 points 100-200cm 2 points
    200-300cm 3 points 200-300cm 3 points
    300cm+ 4 points 300cm + 4 points
    Change of impact with magnification at 100m Change or impact with magnification at 100m
    5cm+ 0 points 5cm + 0 points
    5-1cm 1 point 5-1cm 1 point
    1cm- 2points 1cm-2points
    Nil 3points Nil 3points
    Resolution and contrast Resolution and contrast
    Field testing, can/cannot see various targets, details and colours under equal conditions and settings Field testing, can / can not see various targets, details and colors under equal conditions and settings
    Resolution 0-10 points Resolution 0-10 points
    Contrast 0-10 points Contrast 0-10 points
    Anti reflex Anti reflex
    Under equal conditions and settings with light source facing the objective Under equal conditions and settings with light source facing the objective
    Lenses Lenses
    Not able to see through scope: 0 points Not Able to see through scope: 0 points
    Sight picture is white, difficult to aim: 1 point Sight picture is white, difficult to aim: 1 point
    Sight picture is white, but aiming possible: 2 points Sight picture is white, but aiming possible: 2 points
    Sight picture a little white: 3 points Sight picture a little white: 3 points
    Sight picture good, but without contrast or colour: 4 points Good sight picture, but without contrast or color: 4 points
    Sight picture not affected: 5 points Sight picture not affected: 5 points
    Reticule Reticule
    Not able to use the reticule: 0 points Not Able to Obtain reticule: 0 points
    Severe shadows and reflexes on it: 1 point Severe shadows and reflexes on it: 1 point
    Shadows and reflexes on it: 2 points Shadows and reflexes on it: 2 points
    A little shiny: 3 points A little shiny: 3 points
    Sharp but mis-coloured: 4 points Sharp but mis-colored: 4 points
    Sharp and black: 5 points Sharp and black: 5 points
    Light transmission at 500-550 nm (twilight light) Light transmission at 500-550 nm (light twilight)
    Please note that scopes can transmit other wavelengt light better Please note that other scopes can transmit light better wavelengt

    0-10% 0 points 0-10% 0 points
    10-30% 1 point 10-30% 1 point
    30-40% 2 points 30-40% 2 points
    40-50% 3 points 40-50% 3 points
    50-60% 4 points 50-60% 4 points
    60-70% 5 points 60-70% 5 points
    70-80% 6 points 70-80% 6 points
    80-85% 7 points 80-85% 7 points
    85-90% 8 points 85-90% 8 points
    90-95% 9 points 90-95% 9 points
    95-100% 10 points 95-100% 10 points

    Twilight performance Twilight performance
    Light were progressively reduced and scopes where excluded when it was no longer possible to determine target/crosshairs. Light scopes were progressively reduced and where excluded when it was no longer possible to determining target / crosshairs. Lighted reticules were not used. Lighted reticules were not used. Scopes where used at all magnifications. Scopes where used at all magnification. Scopes where scored 0 to 10 points according to how little light it was possible to use it in. Scopes where scored 0 to 10 points according to how little light it was possible to use it in.

    Scopes tested: Scopes tested:
    BSA big cat 3,5-10x42 BSA 3.5-10x42 big cat
    Burris fullfield II 3,5-10x50 Burris Full field II 3.5-10x50
    Bushnell elite 4200 2,5-10x40 Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5-10x40
    Docter 3-12x56 Docter 3-12x56
    Kahles cb 3-12x56 Kahless cb 3-12x56
    Leupold XIII 3.5-10x50 Leupold 3.5-10x50 XIII
    Meopta artemis 2000 3-12x50 Meopta Artemis 2000 3-12x50
    Meopta artemis 3000 3-12x56 Meopta Artemis 3000 3-12x56
    Micro Dot 2.5-10x56 Micro Dot 2.5-10x56
    Nickel gerhardt 3-12x56 Gerhardt Nickel 3-12x56
    Nightforce np1 3.5-15x56 NP1 Night Force 3.5-15x56
    OXO ontario 3-9x56 OXO 3-9x56 ontario
    Pecar 4-10x56 Pecar 4-10x56
    S&B Zenith 2.5-10x56 S & B Zenith 2.5-10x56
    S&B 2.5-10x56 B & S 2.5-10x56
    Shirstone Gold 4-12x58 Shirstone Gold 4-12x58
    Shirstone Gold 3-10x56 Shirstone Gold 3-10x56
    Swarovski Habict 2.5-10x56 Habict Swarovski 2.5-10x56
    Tasco Titan 3-12x52 Tasco Titan 3-12x52
    Trijicon accupoint 2.5-10x56 Trijicon Battery Point 2.5-10x56
    Zeiss diavari z 3-12x56 Z diavari Zeiss 3-12x56
    Zeiss varipoint v 3-12x56 V 3-point range Zeiss 12x56
    Zeiss diavari v 3-12x56 V 3-12x56 Zeiss diavari

    A short summary of the results below. A short summary of the results below.
    Scope name Scope name
    B resolution (max 10) B resolution (max 10)
    C colour & contrast (max 10) C & color contrast (max 10)
    D anti-reflex (max 5+5) D anti-reflex (5 max 5)
    E light transmission (max 10) E light transmission (max 10)
    F twilight performance (max 10) F twilight performance (max 10)
    G overall test result (including all test results, not just the ones I've printed. Max possible 7Cool G overall test result (including all test results, not just the ones I've printed. 7Cool Max possible

    Remember, this is a lab test, not some testers subjective opinion. Remember, this is a lab test, not some testers subjective opinion.

    BSA Big cat 3,5-10x: B3 C3 D5 E6 F3 G44 BSA Big Cat 3.5-10X: B3 C3 D5 E6 F3 G44
    BURRIS FULLFIELD II 3,5-10X: B10 C7 D6 E9 F7 G58 Burris 3.5-10X FULL FIELD II: B10 C7 D6 E9 F7 G58
    DOCTER 3-12X: B7 C8 D8 E8 F7 G60 DOCTER 3-12X: B7 C8 D8 E8 F7 G60
    KAHLES CB 3-12: B6 C8 D8 E9 F8 G62 Kahless CB 3-12: B6 C8 D8 E9 F8 G62
    Leupold VXIII 3,5-10X:B7 C7 D8 E8 F6 G60 VXIII Leupold 3.5-10X: B7 C7 D8 E8 F6 G60
    MEOPTA ARTEMIS 3000 3-12X: B7 C7 D7 E7 F7 G57 Meopta ARTEMIS 3000 3-12X: B7 C7 D7 E7 F7 G57
    MEOPTA ARTEMIS 2000 3-12X: B6 C7 D7 E7 F6 G55 Meopta ARTEMIS 2000 3-12X: B6 C7 D7 E7 F6 G55
    MICRO DOT 2,3-10X: B7 C6 D7 E8 F7 G58 MICRO DOT 2.3-10X: B7 C6 D7 E8 F7 G58
    NICKEL GERHARDT 3-12X: B9 C8 D8 E9 F9 G66 NICKEL GERHARDT 3-12X: B9 C8 D8 E9 F9 G66
    NIGHTFORCE NP1 3,5-15X: B9 C6 D9 E8 F7 G60 NP1 NIGHT FORCE 3.5-15X: B9 C6 D9 E8 F7 G60
    OXO ONTARIO 3-9X: B3 C3 D4 E6 F2 G39 ONTARIO OXO 3-9X: B3 C3 D4 E6 F2 G39
    PECAR 4-10X: B5 C6 D6 E8 F5 G46 Pecar 4-10X: B5 C6 D6 E8 F5 G46
    SCHMIDT UND BENDER ZENITH 2,5-10X: B7 C8 D9 E9 F9 G65 SCHMIDT UND BENDER ZENITH 2.5-10X: B7 C8 D9 E9 F9 G65
    SCHMIDT UND BENDER 2,5-10X: B9 C8 D8 E9 F9 G66 SCHMIDT UND BENDER 2.5-10X: B9 C8 D8 E9 F9 G66
    SHIRSTONE GOLD 4-12X: B5 C5 D5 E7 F5 G47 SHIRSTONE GOLD 4-12X: B5 C5 D5 E7 F5 G47
    SWAROVSKI HABICT 3-12X: B9 C9 D8 E9 F10 G68 SWAROVSKI HABICT 3-12X: B9 C9 D8 E9 F10 G68
    TASCO TITAN 3-12X: B5 C6 D6 E7 F4 G49 Tasco Titan 3-12X: B5 C6 D6 E7 F4 G49
    TRIJICON ACCUPOINT 2,5-10X: B8 C6 D8 E9 F8 G64 TRIJICON BATTERY POINT 2.5-10X: B8 C6 D8 E9 F8 G64
    ZEISS DIAVARI ZT 3-12X: B10 C10 D10 E9 F10 G72 ZEISS DIAVARI ZT 3-12X: B10 C10 D10 E9 F10 G72
    ZEISS VARIPOINT V 3-12X: B9 C10 D10 E9 F9 G70 ZEISS VARI POINT V 3-12X: B9 C10 D10 E9 F9 G70
    ZEISS DIAVARI V 3-12X: B10 C10 D10 E9 F10 G73 ZEISS DIAVARI V 3-12X: B10 C10 D10 E9 F10 G73
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    And another,unfortunately it is in German but it too looks to have been an exhaustive test regime.

    Consider these findings as to be far better than the 'gun writer`s' treatise that gets a freebie or a hunt by being nice.

    http://www.wildundhund.de/r30/vc_con...leich_1905.pdf
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    they still come out on top then !! (zeiss that is )
    cheers for sharing John.
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    This is the culmination of another long test page I have found..the bottom line Paul is well worth remembering...this is for those that insist on telling us their their Barska or Olivon is as good as the rest in their hands ha ha.

    TEST 4
    Even if someone don't like to read tests done by huntingmagazine i will quote one recent test.Unfortunately i don't have all the details. The finnish hunting magazine "Metsastys ja kalostus"(hunting and fishing) nr 3/2004 made a test of many variable scopes.The purpose of the test were to test how late they could see details with the scopes.Not necessary how late they could shoot.So the reticle has nothing to do with the results.Unfortunately i don't have the exact model names of the scopes.

    4 persons made the test in the autumn, and in the winter with snow on the fields. They looked at a "paper deer" and a vision chart.

    The scopes have been ranked in groups.



    Group 1

    Zeiss 3-12x56

    Swarovski 2.5-10x56

    S&B 2.5-10x56

    Kahles 3-12x56



    Group 2

    Zeiss 2.5-10x50

    Swarovski 2.5-10x42

    Meopta 3-12x56



    Group 3

    Docter 2.5-10x48

    Docter 3-12x56

    Kahles 2.5-10x56

    Meopta 3-12x50



    Group 4

    S&B 1.5-6x42

    Karls Kaps 2.5-10x56



    Group 5

    Bushnell 3-9x50

    Bushnell 2.5-10x50

    Burris 2.5-10x44



    Group 6

    Leupold 4.5-14x50

    Shirstone 4-12x56





    Group 1 was 2-3 hours better than group 6!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johngryphon View Post
    this is for those that insist on telling us their their Barska or Olivon is as good as the rest in their hands ha ha.
    To be fair there are probably a lot of people who get on just fine with a Barska, or whatever, for the shooting they do. It just wouldn't work for me but, on the other hand, I don't need anything more than the 8X56 S&B that I have because I always give up before it does.

    My personal view, based on the testing I did, was that Nickel were tops in the low light with Zeiss close behind followed by S&B and Swaro in equal 3rd place. However my testing wasn't very scientific and no matter what people say about different scopes working better for different people this is balderdash as if they light isn't getting through the scope then you can't be seeing it, no matter how different you might claim eyes might be from mine. Quite simply the science doesn't lie, and given the science there must be flaws in my tests. People might prefer one scope, or another, but what they aren't getting is more light out of a scope that simply can't deliver it when compared to one that can.

    Another point is that some of these tests might be rather old, and I suspect none are very recent, and certainly Zeiss and Swaro have gone to new glass in recent times, plus there might be incremental improvements in glass over time without any big marketing fanfare. So if you absolutely must have the best finding where to put your money isn't easy, though you'll never go wrong or be behind the curve with Zeiss. For the UK stalker, however, the 8X56 S&B or Swaro, and probably the 6X42 as well, will do everything you need but it might not be everything you want in which case you aren't short of options to spend your money on.
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