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    Ahhhhh confused?!?!?

    So I've yet to venture into the world of CF but I've got a slot for .223, I though this is what I wanted in a fast twist say 1 in 7 or 1 in 8.

    But it the more I read the more confused I get, I then started thinking maybe just a .308 would be the answer, my FEO tried to persuade me to this instead of .223 in the first place so shouldn't be an issue getting the variation.

    I then saw a .243 for sale, and that got me thinking that maybe this would be a happy medium, somewhere between .223 and .308. Then I spotted a nice .270 for sale and got thinking that in sure I'd read somewhere that it's a very quick, very flat round with good long range ballistic properties, is that right?

    Can an anyone help me, what about 6.5 etc? Ahhhh

    What are the pro's and con's of each of the calibres, .223, .243, .270 & .308?

    Looking for a rifle to take Roe initially, not straight away, I intend to get to know my rifle first....targets and then vermin, perhaps a Charlie or two. I am thinking of doing my DSC1 next year too. Anyway initially Roe but perhaps in years to come other larger Deer species may be on the cards, which is sort of what is swaying me away from .223.

    Other questions, why is Prvi ammunition so cheap, is it really crap? Any use on vermin such as rabbits? Is loading your own very expensive to get set up for, are some calibres more expensive to set up to reload than others?

    Sorry tons of questions, any answers greatly appreciated.

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    Right here's some no nonsense BS.

    your answers are in red

    What are the pro's and con's of each of the calibres, .223, .243, .270 & .308?
    In truth there is very little between most of the normal calibres. Over sensible shooting ranges (upto 250m ) they will all shoot within a few inches of one another. Some will kick harder some will not. My personal preference as I get older is to stay away from the .270/.30-06 and magnum rounds as I find them a bit harsh. .308 maximum. As others have said, be guided by what ammunition you have a ready supply for. It is doubtful that you will ever be able to shoot as well as your rifle can. So choose a rifle that you like and have confidence in, as confidence will improve your shooting far more than any fancy gadget ever can. You will change your rifle in the future, so spend twice as much on your OPTICS as you do on your rifle. You will keep good optics for a long time. Decent rifles are cheap in comparison.

    Looking for a rifle to take Roe initially, not straight away, I intend to get to know my rifle first....targets and then vermin, perhaps a Charlie or two. I am thinking of doing my DSC1 next year too. Anyway initially Roe but perhaps in years to come other larger Deer species may be on the cards, which is sort of what is swaying me away from .223.
    Do your DSC1 & 2.

    Other questions, why is Prvi ammunition so cheap, is it really crap? Any use on vermin such as rabbits? Is loading your own very expensive to get set up for, are some calibres more expensive to set up to reload than others?
    You need to consider whether or not reloading is going to save you any money. It can be costly to set up and will you shoot enough rounds to justify it. I'd also say one step at a time. Shooting first, then consider reloading. When you can't get a load right, you sometimes start to doubt your equipment which leads to lack of confidence in it, which as I said above, will not help your shooting in the beginning
    “Man surprised me most about humanity. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money.Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.”........Dalai Lama

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    .243 ! Will do all feller and be ok for roe and fallow .I have a 308 and a .243 for fox but now selling the .243 as i don't have any land for fox any more .

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    There are other things to consider besides caliber, although a 243 would be best all round, suitable for anything from small game to
    largish deer.

    First question for me would be weight of complete outfit, scope + mounts+silencer+ bipod+ sling + ammo.

    wood or plastic. thumbhole or conventional

    magazine or hinged floor plate.

    answer those questions first, compromise on any of those and you will always be bugged by the rifle

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    223/243 then get something bigger if and when you start looking for 25 stone stags

    unless you have money to burn stick to standard barrel twists and bullet weights in the range the calibre was designed for
    never seen a .243 yet that didn't shoot 100gr factory loads out of the box

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewsher500 View Post
    223/243 then get something bigger if and when you start looking for 25 stone stags

    unless you have money to burn stick to standard barrel twists and bullet weights in the range the calibre was designed for
    never seen a .243 yet that didn't shoot 100gr factory loads out of the box
    Sorry Ed, waiting for the furore now...

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    I've previously been advised the faster twist .223's will stabilise heavier bullets and thus will maintain accuracy for further, that is to say for target use they can be pushed further not to say you can shoot live beasts at further ranges.

    Are you saying this isn't worth bothering with? That it isn't really of any advantage to seek out a 1 in 7 or 1 in 8 twist .223?

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    I've shot target out to 900 yards with my 223 in 1 in 12 twist with 55grn bullets. ....

    OK... It WAS possibly calmest day in history but its possible....

    All depends on how far you want to shoot... If its consistently out at long range I'd think about something else....

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    I want to consistantly reach out to 600-700yrds 'plinking' just cause I've got the land to do so and I think it'll be fun. I'd like to be using heavy bullets to buck the wind and for the longer range advantage they offer.

    If I can get consistant I may push the rabbit ranges out beyond 300 yards, not sure why distance you guys generally use CF for rabbit control at? It is a fox and Roe rifle but that doesn't stop me shooting rabbits with it now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ieazo View Post
    I want to consistantly reach out to 600-700yrds 'plinking' just cause I've got the land to do so and I think it'll be fun. I'd like to be using heavy bullets to buck the wind and for the longer range advantage they offer.

    If I can get consistant I may push the rabbit ranges out beyond 300 yards, not sure why distance you guys generally use CF for rabbit control at? It is a fox and Roe rifle but that doesn't stop me shooting rabbits with it now and then.
    any cf will muller rabbits, a 243 will lose accuracy earlier than a 308 shot the same amount, heavy 223 rounds to maximise a tight twist are going to be home loaded, so increasing initial costs.
    If I were you, I'd get a .308, extremely versatile, from foxing with a 110gr v-max through 150ish gr soft points for deer, to 175gr match ammo for playing around at longer range.

    The .308 has possibly the best, varied range of factory ammo, and 99.9% of gunshops will carry .308 in stock, the Hornady 110gr TAP V-Max(factory ammo) is great fox medicine, there is plenty of milsurp 7.62x51 for 'plinking' for around 50p a bang. Value for money/best bang for y'buck, .308 buddy.

    If you plan on visiting any MOD ranges, you can't use expanding ammo, loads of fmj available in 7.62/308, and in .223, very little in .243, and normally 'premium brands' too, increasing cost.

    .223 is a handy, and useful round, but if you are planning on using 5.56 for plinking, do some research first as it is not the same, 7.62 and .308 are no problem to interchange.


    Buy yourself a decent 2nd hand .308, spend as much as you can on the best scope available and enjoy

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